Had it not been downed over the Belarusian border city of Grodno and instead passed into Poland on the way to the NATO-Ukraine Joint Analysis, Training, and Education Centre like its recovered flight data revealed to be its route, it could have sparked a crisis that ruined the renascent peace talks.
It has. Not a big story because there are so, so many false flag provocations against Russia. And cigarette smugglers have been sending balloons (and drones?) across that border.
Dealing with false-flag operations this way feels like using fingers to plug holes in a dike. No, I don't have any better approach. However, it is hard to imagine with such intensity of provocation, how long Russia and Belarus can keep the situation under control. A drone flying close to borders is a case easier to detect and to deal with (by jamming and other electronic attack methods). Other kinds of false-flag operations, like assassinating one of the useless mouths in the EU commissions, cannot be prevented.
True. Russia does not seem to have a national policy to put a hand on the throats of other countries. If Russia wants to try, I think they will try gold, oil, and Uranium. Chinese Communists have big plans on the West, but I think Russians only want to be left alone.
The USA /NATO use these countries of no significancee for little provications againt Russia. Lithuania, Estonia,e Poland, England etc. When will these fools realize that Russia can not be defeated, they are a nuclear SUPER POWER.
This is NOT a Ukraine/Russo conflict. Never has been. This is NOT a NATO/Russo conflict. NATO IS the United States. European countries are still nothing but captured vassal states of the United States. Europe does whatever they are told. Whatever Europe does or says, it is really the United States doing all the talking and acting. The rest is all the same old chicken shit we have been hearing for the past eighty (80) years.
The United States simply picked up where Nazi Germany left off after 1945, treating Russia and the Russian People as "somehow sub-humans." I was only ten years old at the time JFK was in office, but even I felt the replaying of insults leveled against Nikita Khrushchev's wife, Nina, especially during Khrushchev's visit to the United States in 1959, by the (even then) fully owned, fully captured, fully controlled, fully manipulated, fully propagandized Western mainstream media, for what they were -- a national disgrace. The comparisons between a matronly hipped, unsophisticated farm woman Nina Khrushchev (already in her 60s), and a young, beautiful, educated, socialite Jackie Kennedy (in her early 30s), accomplished nothing but showcase the United States as a world class bore. Nothing has changed.
Nothing has changed. Relations between the United States and Russia have all been like this, one Minsk treaty lie after another. Gaslighting on the world's stage.
I don't know how anybody can say direct conflict has not already broken out and is well underway. All that remains is for Russia to take issue with it.
And if every government thought that a full war was impossible today, between atomic threat and big big logistic problems, and play this game only for internal politic reasons in being sure that no provocation can spark a true war?
They don't care about Russia. They know they can't, even in ten years, attack Russia and they do know that Russia has absolutely no will nor interest to attack West.
For me, it is hard to peer through the smoke and mirrors that surround all these drone launches.
Perhaps undue significance is being assigned to the presumed geographic point of origin of such a drone. Couldn't this drone (or any other given drone, for that matter) be easily launched from inside hostile territory by an enemy country's agent? We have seen numerous drone attacks against Russian facilities launched from inside Russia by Ukrainian (or other Western) agents, for example.
Another confounding fact: If the desire was to create a false flag operation that could be attributed to Russia, why would a "state-of-the-art Western spy drone" be used? Wouldn't a drone matching a model being deployed by the Russians be more convincing?
These "provocations" are beginning to look increasingly stupid as time goes on. Given things like the above, I'm no longer convinced that anything useful can be concluded from such events.
Not a conversation that has appeared in the Western media. Wonder why -:(
It has. Not a big story because there are so, so many false flag provocations against Russia. And cigarette smugglers have been sending balloons (and drones?) across that border.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/belarus-accuses-lithuania-using-drone-spy-drop-extremist-material-2025-12-01/
Nobody cares about this week's dog and pony show except the grifters and oligarchs hoping to enrich themselves further.
I would describe as a truly desperate act.
Seems to me that Britains MI6 and military intelligence are beyond executive control.
Perhaps, but not to the power that rules executive power.
Dealing with false-flag operations this way feels like using fingers to plug holes in a dike. No, I don't have any better approach. However, it is hard to imagine with such intensity of provocation, how long Russia and Belarus can keep the situation under control. A drone flying close to borders is a case easier to detect and to deal with (by jamming and other electronic attack methods). Other kinds of false-flag operations, like assassinating one of the useless mouths in the EU commissions, cannot be prevented.
Those false flags happen because Russia has no good pain dial against USA, Germany, France or UK.
China has big pain dials but not Russia.
True. Russia does not seem to have a national policy to put a hand on the throats of other countries. If Russia wants to try, I think they will try gold, oil, and Uranium. Chinese Communists have big plans on the West, but I think Russians only want to be left alone.
Yes, but the World doesn't go like that. It never went like that. You push or you're pushed. Since the night of times.
Yes. That is how most of seagulls fly, same way as they have flown since Day One. Humans need to try harder.
Sure, but in waiting...
Jared Kushner, is part of cabal
The USA /NATO use these countries of no significancee for little provications againt Russia. Lithuania, Estonia,e Poland, England etc. When will these fools realize that Russia can not be defeated, they are a nuclear SUPER POWER.
This is NOT a Ukraine/Russo conflict. Never has been. This is NOT a NATO/Russo conflict. NATO IS the United States. European countries are still nothing but captured vassal states of the United States. Europe does whatever they are told. Whatever Europe does or says, it is really the United States doing all the talking and acting. The rest is all the same old chicken shit we have been hearing for the past eighty (80) years.
The United States simply picked up where Nazi Germany left off after 1945, treating Russia and the Russian People as "somehow sub-humans." I was only ten years old at the time JFK was in office, but even I felt the replaying of insults leveled against Nikita Khrushchev's wife, Nina, especially during Khrushchev's visit to the United States in 1959, by the (even then) fully owned, fully captured, fully controlled, fully manipulated, fully propagandized Western mainstream media, for what they were -- a national disgrace. The comparisons between a matronly hipped, unsophisticated farm woman Nina Khrushchev (already in her 60s), and a young, beautiful, educated, socialite Jackie Kennedy (in her early 30s), accomplished nothing but showcase the United States as a world class bore. Nothing has changed.
Nothing has changed. Relations between the United States and Russia have all been like this, one Minsk treaty lie after another. Gaslighting on the world's stage.
I don't know how anybody can say direct conflict has not already broken out and is well underway. All that remains is for Russia to take issue with it.
As French say: " tant la cruche va à l'eau qu'à la fin elle se casse".
And if every government thought that a full war was impossible today, between atomic threat and big big logistic problems, and play this game only for internal politic reasons in being sure that no provocation can spark a true war?
They don't care about Russia. They know they can't, even in ten years, attack Russia and they do know that Russia has absolutely no will nor interest to attack West.
For me, it is hard to peer through the smoke and mirrors that surround all these drone launches.
Perhaps undue significance is being assigned to the presumed geographic point of origin of such a drone. Couldn't this drone (or any other given drone, for that matter) be easily launched from inside hostile territory by an enemy country's agent? We have seen numerous drone attacks against Russian facilities launched from inside Russia by Ukrainian (or other Western) agents, for example.
Another confounding fact: If the desire was to create a false flag operation that could be attributed to Russia, why would a "state-of-the-art Western spy drone" be used? Wouldn't a drone matching a model being deployed by the Russians be more convincing?
These "provocations" are beginning to look increasingly stupid as time goes on. Given things like the above, I'm no longer convinced that anything useful can be concluded from such events.