The overarching theme connecting the substance and timing of this agreement is therefore the US’ eagerness to resolve the Russian-US dimension of the New Cold War in order to prioritize the Sino-US dimension thereof as the next phase of its systemic competition with China over the future world order.
But Trump did surrender to the Taliban…so he actually has a track record of screwing over our allies in wars in which the vast majority of Americans don’t care about the outcome. Although with Afghanistan it turned out that Americans did care about the outcome and fortuitously for Trump they blamed Biden.
Oh, I will just add that the EU does have a card to play—they could reject American LNG and start importing Russian natural gas again. So Republican senators will plead with Trump to not force anything upon Ukraine because ultimately Republican senators answer to Big Oil and the Military Industrial Complex and the Ukraine War has been great for the GOP benefactors. But LNG is why your heating bill is going to give you a heart condition in January and so if the bottom were to fall out of the LNG market it would be very good for American consumers!
Or Russia can finish off Ukraine on the battlefield and accomplish most of its goals without having to compromise on anything. I don't see why Russia would agree to any of these points right now where some of the root causes for this conflict aren't even mentioned (Ukraine's right wing's hatred for anything that is Russian). With these peace plan the conflict won't be stopped, it will be postponed.
True, especially since Russia is “winning the war” by continuing to gain territory and destroy Ukraine’s infrastructure.
These “ceasefire negotiations” are stupid on their face. The Allies did not “negotiate a ceasefire” with the Nazis in WWII. If Trump were in charge, he’d be telling Hitler that Germany must hold an election in 100 days, while we pull back to a demilitarized zone. No! There was no WWII “ceasefire”; we stomped the enemy until they could no longer continue to fight and had to surrender.
But soon afterward, we “negotiated a ceasefire” in Korea, and to this day, Korea continues to be a problem. Why does Trump want to create another Korean situation, complete with a demilitarized zone, in Ukraine? Let Zelenskyy surrender to Putin or lose the rest of his country.
Trump fancies himself a peacemaker. He surrendered to the Taliban and a condition was for the Taliban to form a provisional government with Ghani but Trump never enforced any of the conditions.
It's a hotchpotch à l'americaine. If Russia accepts it, she will certainly have made all the sacrifice for nothing. It's enough to remind everyone that Crimea without Odessa has no strategic value. We shall see hundreds of French and British ships “visiting” Odessa while being based in nearby Romania and Bulgaria. The ONLY solution for Russia is to take back Odessa and Kharkiv, and to establish the border on the Dnieper. Kiev has to be split in two: West Kiev and East Kiev on the Berlin model. Ukraine should not become an EU member since the EU, if she survives, will become a NATO-style military organization. This transformation will happen at high speed as soon as the neocons return to power in the US (sooner than many of us may think!). Russia should remember that her only security guarantee is her army.
The proposal will have to be modified all over and the Russian side most likely will come up with a new version but at least a serious dialog might just start. This dialog will go on and on while the frontlines will keep moving and Ukraine just might collapse militarily, changing the whole of the equation.
3, 8. NATO will do no more expansions is an old song and no promises can be taken seriously there. The violations of the old agreements were the MAJOR reasons behind this military conflict.
13. Russia’s exclusion from the world’s controlled fossil fuel market was a major motivation for hostilities from US/NATO. Russia will demand guarantees here for sure and the US will not like them.
14. The issue of confiscated Russian assets will also provide for a major argument. Ukraine receives giant benefits from Russian money and ZERO reimbursement for the destroyed Nord Stream lines. Also: Russian gas and oil deliveries to Europe are not even mentioned as well. This is not going to fly as it is…The stated major goal of US/NATO was to achieve an economic collapse in Russia.
The entire West is so out of touch with reality that it's basically committing suicide. Putin and others have also said many times: "We don't have to do anything, nothing, we just have to watch the West destroy itself".
Trump propose a peace plan while another part of US deepstate work forcefully to destroy Russia, inflame allies, build false flags, switch or crush Russian's friends, .
Sounds like a good deal ... for the United States. Given that Washington's machinations are ultimately responsible for this war, not to mention the deplorable state of Russo-European relations, the U.S. has no right to profit at all. Russia needs to win on the battlefield, convincingly, sending a message to friend and foe alike that it won't be pushed around.
This plan is impossible to be aggred by both sides. There is no definite solution of Ukrainian war which is not soon going to end. A division beween West and East Ukraine is inevitable, and either they form a co-federate state or two states de facto or de jure. The plan is unrealistic to implement.
A sound analysis. But back in September, I speculated that Trump had agreed to deliver Putin a victory in Ukraine in exchange for Russia not obstructing him over Gaza. And it's notable that there was no UN veto over his bizarre Gaza scheme.
Witless Witkoff met Dmitriev in Miami, and Little Kirill and Crew pooped out Putin's maximalist fantasies. Obviously written by Russians in Russian. "It is expected." "To enshrine." "Ambiguities." Such typica USl English.
Your peanut gallery is whining, "No surrender," about an "agreement" in which Russia would get everything, and then some.
Almost every other European nation can claim some territory held by its neighbors. After WWII, Europeans accepted that peaceful cooperation is more beneficial to all than endless wars over this or that scrap of land. It worked until Russia decided to move the border by starting the war with Ukraine. For Europe, this war is a test of the fragile peace after 1945. If Russia gains one square inch of Ukrainian territory by war, other Putin-alike politicians will pop up in Europe and start wars. It is not about Ukraine or NATO. It is about peace in Europe. To keep it, Europe needs to push Russia out of Ukraine. For peace to endure, the world needs to send a clear message: wars do not pay.
Your first mistake: Europe is not synonymous with the European Union. Secondly, you forget the intervention in Yugoslavia (against Serbia), which violated international law, and that after World War II, many European (EU) countries were involved in wars all over the world. I consider your statements unrealistic.
Henryk didn't write anything about the "European Union."
The Kosovo intervention did not comply with the formal requirements of international law, but - Forces commanded by Serb leaders and many individual Serb officials and soldiers committed crimes that violated the laws of war, crimes against humanity, and in the case of Srebrenica, genocide. International humanitarian law (the laws of war) and international criminal law prohibit targeting civilians, murder, extermination, deportation/ forcible transfer, torture, rape, persecution, and genocide. During the 1990s conflicts in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo, courts and human-rights bodies found that Serb forces and Serb officials carried out, ordered, assisted, and participated in policies and campaigns that amounted to those crimes. Several high-profile commanders and political leaders were indicted, and many were convicted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and successor bodies.
Just anecdotes invented by the world power USA...much simpler...leave Ukraine to Putin, who will rebuild the country, and the Ukrainians who fled will voluntarily return to their homeland. The political oligarchs, already millionaires or billionaires, have prepared their escape castles abroad. The professional comedian has his escape castle in England and his yacht with helicopter is ready. His bodyguard MI6 will fly him to England!
Another one of Trump’s grand peace deals — 28 points for peace in Ukraine like the 21 points for peace in Gaza. So far, Hamas has yet to complete Point 1 (return all the living and dead hostages) and has disavowed agreeing to Point 2 (disarming). So much for Trump’s grand peace deals.
Exactly, Trump just wants Fox News and Bari Weiss to report a win and then his approval will go up a little bit and Americans will move on. Just me personally—I stood strongly with Israel but I’ve moved on and I don’t care what happens one way or the other. I guess I’m a typical American with a short attention span…OMG McRib is back!! 😉
Boys and girls, do you remember the scandal that is/was shaking the Zielinski regime earlier this week? No? Well, that's the whole point of this leaked "peace plan". Soon you will hear that Zielinski is either replaced, rehabilitated, or deposed and you will hear nothing more about this peace plan distraction and the war will go on.
US policy remains to weaken Europe and Russia with endless low-level war. Peace is the farthest thing from the minds of US elites and America's European vassals. Only one outcome can end this war and that is an unequivocal Russian victory.
As always, the devil is not only in the details, but the implementation. See, e.g. the Minsk Accord and Minsk-2.
There are an awful lot of moving parts here, a lot of promises of future action that a lot of people have no interest in keeping.
But Trump did surrender to the Taliban…so he actually has a track record of screwing over our allies in wars in which the vast majority of Americans don’t care about the outcome. Although with Afghanistan it turned out that Americans did care about the outcome and fortuitously for Trump they blamed Biden.
Oh, I will just add that the EU does have a card to play—they could reject American LNG and start importing Russian natural gas again. So Republican senators will plead with Trump to not force anything upon Ukraine because ultimately Republican senators answer to Big Oil and the Military Industrial Complex and the Ukraine War has been great for the GOP benefactors. But LNG is why your heating bill is going to give you a heart condition in January and so if the bottom were to fall out of the LNG market it would be very good for American consumers!
This is Minsk-3 and a complete strategic Russia defeat.
Also, Putin should be on trial for grand treason, because he is giving away constitutionally Russian land, which has no right whatsoever to do.
Or Russia can finish off Ukraine on the battlefield and accomplish most of its goals without having to compromise on anything. I don't see why Russia would agree to any of these points right now where some of the root causes for this conflict aren't even mentioned (Ukraine's right wing's hatred for anything that is Russian). With these peace plan the conflict won't be stopped, it will be postponed.
True, especially since Russia is “winning the war” by continuing to gain territory and destroy Ukraine’s infrastructure.
These “ceasefire negotiations” are stupid on their face. The Allies did not “negotiate a ceasefire” with the Nazis in WWII. If Trump were in charge, he’d be telling Hitler that Germany must hold an election in 100 days, while we pull back to a demilitarized zone. No! There was no WWII “ceasefire”; we stomped the enemy until they could no longer continue to fight and had to surrender.
But soon afterward, we “negotiated a ceasefire” in Korea, and to this day, Korea continues to be a problem. Why does Trump want to create another Korean situation, complete with a demilitarized zone, in Ukraine? Let Zelenskyy surrender to Putin or lose the rest of his country.
Trump fancies himself a peacemaker. He surrendered to the Taliban and a condition was for the Taliban to form a provisional government with Ghani but Trump never enforced any of the conditions.
It's a hotchpotch à l'americaine. If Russia accepts it, she will certainly have made all the sacrifice for nothing. It's enough to remind everyone that Crimea without Odessa has no strategic value. We shall see hundreds of French and British ships “visiting” Odessa while being based in nearby Romania and Bulgaria. The ONLY solution for Russia is to take back Odessa and Kharkiv, and to establish the border on the Dnieper. Kiev has to be split in two: West Kiev and East Kiev on the Berlin model. Ukraine should not become an EU member since the EU, if she survives, will become a NATO-style military organization. This transformation will happen at high speed as soon as the neocons return to power in the US (sooner than many of us may think!). Russia should remember that her only security guarantee is her army.
To date NATO has breached its Minsk agreement. So can NATO be trusted ?
Coming to frozen funds , will Russia agree to utilise whole of the fund to develop Ukraine ?
It’s there money and nato is imposing its terms to utilise that money!!
" Coming to frozen funds , will Russia agree to utilise whole of the fund to develop Ukraine ? "
Why do you think Nabiullina inexplicably left all the money in European hands ?
Those funds are Russian government which are used for settlements .
I know the purpose, but to leave them there knowing what the ZioWest is capable of was a major blunder and highly suspect.
The proposal will have to be modified all over and the Russian side most likely will come up with a new version but at least a serious dialog might just start. This dialog will go on and on while the frontlines will keep moving and Ukraine just might collapse militarily, changing the whole of the equation.
3, 8. NATO will do no more expansions is an old song and no promises can be taken seriously there. The violations of the old agreements were the MAJOR reasons behind this military conflict.
13. Russia’s exclusion from the world’s controlled fossil fuel market was a major motivation for hostilities from US/NATO. Russia will demand guarantees here for sure and the US will not like them.
14. The issue of confiscated Russian assets will also provide for a major argument. Ukraine receives giant benefits from Russian money and ZERO reimbursement for the destroyed Nord Stream lines. Also: Russian gas and oil deliveries to Europe are not even mentioned as well. This is not going to fly as it is…The stated major goal of US/NATO was to achieve an economic collapse in Russia.
The entire West is so out of touch with reality that it's basically committing suicide. Putin and others have also said many times: "We don't have to do anything, nothing, we just have to watch the West destroy itself".
If Russia agrees to any of this drivel we will all know who really lost the war in Ukraine. For instance:
" A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, "
NATO is the US and the US is NATO. This is just like when the world allows the US to mediate between Palestinians and Israhell.
Is this a clown show ?
Yes, it is.
Pale face, forked tongue.
It has been like that since Pocahontas.
Trump propose a peace plan while another part of US deepstate work forcefully to destroy Russia, inflame allies, build false flags, switch or crush Russian's friends, .
If Russia like to be fucked, welcome .
If Russia can't do otherwise, it's over.
Sounds like a good deal ... for the United States. Given that Washington's machinations are ultimately responsible for this war, not to mention the deplorable state of Russo-European relations, the U.S. has no right to profit at all. Russia needs to win on the battlefield, convincingly, sending a message to friend and foe alike that it won't be pushed around.
This plan is impossible to be aggred by both sides. There is no definite solution of Ukrainian war which is not soon going to end. A division beween West and East Ukraine is inevitable, and either they form a co-federate state or two states de facto or de jure. The plan is unrealistic to implement.
A sound analysis. But back in September, I speculated that Trump had agreed to deliver Putin a victory in Ukraine in exchange for Russia not obstructing him over Gaza. And it's notable that there was no UN veto over his bizarre Gaza scheme.
https://x.com/GwydionMW/status/1991824313192677684
This deal isn’t a victory to Russia Putin will not accept it and why would he?
Witless Witkoff met Dmitriev in Miami, and Little Kirill and Crew pooped out Putin's maximalist fantasies. Obviously written by Russians in Russian. "It is expected." "To enshrine." "Ambiguities." Such typica USl English.
Your peanut gallery is whining, "No surrender," about an "agreement" in which Russia would get everything, and then some.
Almost every other European nation can claim some territory held by its neighbors. After WWII, Europeans accepted that peaceful cooperation is more beneficial to all than endless wars over this or that scrap of land. It worked until Russia decided to move the border by starting the war with Ukraine. For Europe, this war is a test of the fragile peace after 1945. If Russia gains one square inch of Ukrainian territory by war, other Putin-alike politicians will pop up in Europe and start wars. It is not about Ukraine or NATO. It is about peace in Europe. To keep it, Europe needs to push Russia out of Ukraine. For peace to endure, the world needs to send a clear message: wars do not pay.
Your first mistake: Europe is not synonymous with the European Union. Secondly, you forget the intervention in Yugoslavia (against Serbia), which violated international law, and that after World War II, many European (EU) countries were involved in wars all over the world. I consider your statements unrealistic.
Check the response by Russian Nazi. Also, please peek at my writings about Ukraine: https://henrykkowalczyk.com/category/ukraine/
Henryk didn't write anything about the "European Union."
The Kosovo intervention did not comply with the formal requirements of international law, but - Forces commanded by Serb leaders and many individual Serb officials and soldiers committed crimes that violated the laws of war, crimes against humanity, and in the case of Srebrenica, genocide. International humanitarian law (the laws of war) and international criminal law prohibit targeting civilians, murder, extermination, deportation/ forcible transfer, torture, rape, persecution, and genocide. During the 1990s conflicts in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo, courts and human-rights bodies found that Serb forces and Serb officials carried out, ordered, assisted, and participated in policies and campaigns that amounted to those crimes. Several high-profile commanders and political leaders were indicted, and many were convicted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia and successor bodies.
Just anecdotes invented by the world power USA...much simpler...leave Ukraine to Putin, who will rebuild the country, and the Ukrainians who fled will voluntarily return to their homeland. The political oligarchs, already millionaires or billionaires, have prepared their escape castles abroad. The professional comedian has his escape castle in England and his yacht with helicopter is ready. His bodyguard MI6 will fly him to England!
Another one of Trump’s grand peace deals — 28 points for peace in Ukraine like the 21 points for peace in Gaza. So far, Hamas has yet to complete Point 1 (return all the living and dead hostages) and has disavowed agreeing to Point 2 (disarming). So much for Trump’s grand peace deals.
Exactly, Trump just wants Fox News and Bari Weiss to report a win and then his approval will go up a little bit and Americans will move on. Just me personally—I stood strongly with Israel but I’ve moved on and I don’t care what happens one way or the other. I guess I’m a typical American with a short attention span…OMG McRib is back!! 😉
Boys and girls, do you remember the scandal that is/was shaking the Zielinski regime earlier this week? No? Well, that's the whole point of this leaked "peace plan". Soon you will hear that Zielinski is either replaced, rehabilitated, or deposed and you will hear nothing more about this peace plan distraction and the war will go on.
US policy remains to weaken Europe and Russia with endless low-level war. Peace is the farthest thing from the minds of US elites and America's European vassals. Only one outcome can end this war and that is an unequivocal Russian victory.
and how likely is Zelenksy to agree on new elections where he knows he won't win?
Who care what Zelensky thinks??? He neither a Ukrainian or Russian , he is a JEW.
With a mother named "Semen," you do, Wally.