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Global Village Bard's avatar

Interesting geopolitical times. And I think it is fair to say that many people, myself included, have long wanted the US out of "NATO", although that certainly raises questions about this organisation's raison d'être given that it is canonically stated as "keeping the Americans in, the Germans down, and the Russians out" (i.e., of Europe).

So whence NATO? Could it conceivably morph into a common European defence alliance? But then against whom would its members ally? Is it immediately obvious, for example, that Turkey doesn't present as much of a long-term threat to Europe as Russia, especially if it continues to advance in the form of a "Caliphate" into Greater Syria and the South Caucasus? But Turkey is not only a NATO member, but, assuming the exit of the USA, currently has by far its largest standing army.

Not being a naive pacifist (albeit strongly pro "Russkiy Mir"), it seems obvious to me that Europe cannot simply renege on providing its own defence. If it becomes any weaker than it already is, then it will certainly be taken over by an entity stronger than it. Of course, that entity was and still is America, but it is becoming painfully obvious that America doesn't really need Europe for anything, since the latter possesses few natural resources and increasingly flabby consumer markets, only really offering value-added luxury goods that are more of a threat than an opportunity for competing American manufacturers and designers.

Still, if Europe disappears completely down the tubes, it won't be good for the rest of the multipolar world. Indeed, if there is to be a multipolar world in the long term, it will have to take the reality of mutually assured destruction into account, only then becoming able to reciprocally negotiate its continuing existence on the basis of strategically sincere communication.

So the optimistic scenario would see NATO either disbanding entirely or morphing into a common European defence force, whose nuclear powers (Britain and France) would necessarily (in the absence of the USA) pool their forces under a unified command.

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James Schwartz's avatar

How would US reputation be destroyed if they didn’t run to aid Europe? Europe and the EU have for decades undermined US civil liberties and now because we are finally standing up to their liberal nonsense our reputation will somehow be damaged? I’m thinking we could give 2 shits about our reputation in that regard. The US has saved Europe’s ass on more than one occasion and this is the gratitude we get in return? The US is pivoting towards China as we should have done a very long time ago. It’s time Europe stands on its own and the Russia Russia Russia hysteria Europe is lying to their citizens about go through the masses as they see that Putin and Russia have no designs to invade and European country. This war has always been about Ukraine and only Ukraine.

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