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Kennewick Man's avatar

This is clearly a classic showmanship from Putin, a very successful one. Either the offer is taken or not Russia wins. If Zelensky refuses he comes across as a crazy warmonger even at the front of his own soldiers. On the other hand, Putin is elevated as a responsible statesman, regardless Zelensky joins or opposes him. For Zelensky to abandon 10,500 Ukraine soldiers just might be the beginning of the end that will serve him well. From a military strategy view, the fact that all these Ukraine soldiers were left inside this trap tells a lot about the leadership there and ultimately about Zelensky. I would not be surprised if they opt for a bitter struggle to break out and that event might turn into the Stalingrad of Ukraine.

Gene Frenkle's avatar

This war was never about territory and so losing territory isn’t that big a deal and Zelensky has already said he would relinquish territory for a security guarantee from America. Putin can’t win this war because Ukrainians despise him and so even if he were to remove Zelensky and install a puppet the Ukrainians would continue to fight.

Kennewick Man's avatar

‘This war was never about territory”

You are absolutely correct. This war was from the very planning about the destruction and dissolution of Russia. Ukrainians might despise Putin and Russia but the Russians have a few unkind words about them also. The fact remains that this war was started by the present upper classes of Ukraine (The Servants of the People) while cooperating with Western manipulators against the will of the majority of the Ukrainians. I stated in writing and verbally from day one that there was no way for Ukraine to win this war and the two possible outcomes were either a Russian victory or a nuclear war. I have still no reason to change my position.

S Blackford's avatar

I saw a video of the chief rabbi of Ukraine who said he expected this war to wrap up in a couple of months. So maybe this really is coming to an end.

https://substack.com/app-link/post?publication_id=795903&post_id=177251324

I wonder who America will attack next.

Darras's avatar

Venezuela, Iran, Sudan, Nigeria, Myanmar, all the country weak enough to be attacked without risk for aggressor and which don't want to shit straight.

Never forget that an US senator said " sometimes, we have to throw a small country on the wall to show who is the boss".

Cia Parker's avatar

To my knowledge, no US senator said or wrote anything like that publicly. Where did you get that "quote" from?

A similar quote is credited to Michael Ledeen ~2002, a neoconservative foreign-policy pundit, not a senator or government official, but he did do some consulting to the GWB administration.

“Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small, crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.”

Jonah Goldberg, in National Review, referred to this as the “Ledeen Doctrine.” (~2003).

Gene Frenkle's avatar

Rubio is a neocon and somehow ingratiated himself to Trump.

Gene Frenkle's avatar

So why would Germany and the EU send tens of billions of euros to Gazprom/Putin and even construct Nord Stream 2 to continue sending them billions more euros?? Germany didn’t want to spend billions constructing LNG import terminals to import more expensive American and Qatari LNG but Putin forced their hands.

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Darras's avatar

Nobody want a direct war.

Ukraine suffer for USA

Europe suffer( economy) for USA

Russia suffer for China.

USA and China weaken all their friends for ruling their half world.

Desperate UE leaders run like headless chickens hoping that their population will be enough fool and dumb to eat the "great russian danger" which will allow them to keep power.

Nobody want war.

Like in July 1914...

Helga Weber's avatar

The English come before China in the accusation game.

Darras's avatar

No, you're unfair. Ukrainians like Russians when they pay for their pensions, health and public service.

Wouter's avatar

“My soldiers dying means Putin will lose.”

That’s some #nafo classic right there

Feral Finster's avatar

If that were the case, why the need to press gang men into the army. Happened to people i know.

Moreover, the one thing every successful insurgency has in common is a young population. The median age in Ukraine is over 40, and that from before the war. Compare with Yemen - median age 19.

Gene Frenkle's avatar

As the commenter above notes…the territory comes with old people that require pensions and heat…so even if Putin “wins” he loses at this point. But it’s all out of desperation because American frackers and Biden outplayed him and Putin’s piped natural gas was going to get less important to the global economy every year starting in 2022.

Feral Finster's avatar

You are trying to change the subject.

Anyway, American LNG is considerably more expensive than Russia.

Gene Frenkle's avatar

Exactly, Germany didn’t want to import American LNG but Putin forced their hand. Now America and Qatar have taken Russia’s natural gas market share in Europe. Oh, and China will import Russian piped gas but they will not repeat the mistakes of Europe…so China will import Russian gas and American/Qatari LNG on their own terms. How will China succeed? By building huge amounts of gas storage and diversifying imports and then hydro/renewables also act as natural gas storage. So China will import LNG in April when the heating season is over and thus cheaper on the spot market.

I am a huge LNG supporter but Biden was wise to attempt to slow the process down while Republicans don’t care about American consumers which is why utility bills keep growing. So when your heating bill hits a record price make sure you thank a Republican!! 😉

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Kennewick Man's avatar

When we look at the developmental stages of the problem on hand a clear pattern emerges: The Russians were doing their usual moves to create a larger enclave at Kupyansk and Krasnoarmeisk (Pokrovsk), an encirclement. The obvious goal was to close down the entry and dissolve the defenses there. The Ukraine leadership had the option for an orderly withdrawal earlier but they opted not to do it. Over ten thousand was ‘abandoned’ to their fate, destruction and/or surrender. These soldiers should have been ordered to leave while there was an opportunity.

I said this a few times on this forum: If Zelensky is killed Russia would most likely end up with a far more capable military leader as an opponent. Maybe even a man of the caliber of Leon Trotsky who had a major role in gaining the upper hand for the communists during the Russian Civil War. Yes, he was jewish just like Zelensky but he was a very capable writer and military leader and this is exactly why Stalin chased him out of the country and had him killed in Mexico in 1940.

For those readers with a communist ‘ideology’ here: I actually have a short five minute routine, a way how I can make a commie cry. I simply tell them the truth fate of Soviet communists after the Great October 1917 Revolution there. It was a bloodbath. Those who fought against the Russian Imperial forces were gradually exterminated from the 1920s on. Systematically! It was a Holocaust! Sometimes they were elected as guards for Gulag camps, sent to Siberia with their prisoners in the summer without proper supplies and died with their prisoners to the last man by next spring. Case closed. As far as the upper crust of the ex-commie leadership, they were hunted like bunnies and finished off mercilessly one by one. Lenin’s wife Nadezhda Krupskaya was a notable exception. She was well known nationwide therefore she was named minister of education and a member of the Communist Party's Central Committee. She had constant issues with Stalin already before Lenin’s death and according to some from Stalin’s inner circles she was poisoned by Stalin and died in 1939. Moral of the story for those who want to be commies today: Once you mix with the swill the pigs will eat you.

Darras's avatar

Poutine is not yet fed up with good will gesture?

Each time he did a good will gesture he has been fucked by western jackals who took it for weakness.

I thought that Russians had high level psychologists teams among their diplomatic services, it's an urban legend?

Darras's avatar

I remember something Andrew said one or two years ago: China don't want Russia loose but...China don't want Russia win...

It seems that has never been so true.

Gene Frenkle's avatar

China always looks out for China. Only America under Bush/Cheney put other countries before their own country…that’s why Trump had to root out Bush Republicans from the Republican Party.

Tito Botero's avatar

Hate to be overly pedantic but in "Zelensky seems disinterested" I think you mean "uninterested" (lack of interest) and not "disinterested" (unbiased, impartial).

Andrew Korybko's avatar

Good point, I corrected it, thanks!

Tito Botero's avatar

The use of "disinterested" in the sense of "uninterested" is increasingly common these days, and will undoubtedly over time become an (or perhaps "the") accepted definition. It is only old fogeys like me whose teeth grate when hearing or seeing it.

Darras's avatar

😂 yes, me too, in my long life, I've seen three french words change of meaning.

When I was young "chafouin " meant "sneaky", now young people use it as "angry, bad mood".

The word "blasé" meant that you had no more interest for something in particular. Now youngsters use it alone to say they are fed up.

And because of English, youngsters use "suspicieux" ( who suspect somebody)to mean "suspect"( who is suspected by somebody.

It's life, as said Paul, I'm 64. :)

Tito Botero's avatar

Relative to me, you are still a youngster . . .

Darras's avatar

Yes, that's this "still" which bother me. 😂

Tito Botero's avatar

Relative to me, you are but a youngster . . .

Feral Finster's avatar

It is abundantly obvious that Russia is seeking a Minsk-3, desperately trying goodwill gestures in the face of enemies who wish Russia only evil.

Fools.

The world respects and fears strength and decisiveness. Humanitarianism is treated as contemptible weakness. Russian timidity and waffling have caused the West to lose all fear of Russia.

Yossy's avatar

The US has imposed sanctions and banned anyone in the world to deal with Rosneft and Lukoil or they will lose the right to use the dollar.

The US led NATO war against Russia will continue politicaly, economically, financially and militarily. The US just needs a ceasefire in Ukraine to build up the UAF and replenish the arms and ammunition stocks.

Randy's avatar

“Trump Must Soon Decide Whether He Wants To Make This War His Own”

Trump could have ended the conflict on Day 1 by cutting off all command and control communication in the country (via Musk’s Starlink satellite system) and stopped American satellites from providing location and targeting information (GPS) to Ukraine’s drones and missiles. Since he did neither of these things, this has been Trump’s war from Day 2.

Feral Finster's avatar

This war already is Trump’s war.

Dideriño's avatar

What you suggest is already off the table. - the probability of a negotiated settlement of the conflict is minuscule. After Trumps retraction of his OWN deal and possible strikes far inside Russia with the active support of US, Russia showed force: Poseidon, Burevestnik, Orezhnik, but US refuses to hear. So it will be the battleground, on which the fate of the 30 y.o. "State" of Ukraine will be settled. IMHO the serious strikes on the energy facilities, going after transport (trains, locomotives) and Viaducts as much as the strangling of serious points of defence is the pretext of the coup de grace coming in wintertime. Russia has Ukraine and EU/NATO by the balls. And if the US keeps on frolicking around with long strikes and pretending being not involved, it might very well be, that we might see something similar happening from the Russian side of things: sinking of some USS Lame Duck by the "hands" of a proxy with "plausible deniability". When the gloves come off, two can play that game.

VVP showed great restraint, because it is better to "negotiate a thousand hours... ...than shooting a minute" (Helmut Schmidt, form. Chancellor of Germany, 1st Lieutenant in WW2), but sometimes, when dealing with true morons, that mistake a soft spoken word for weakness, you have to use the big stick, that you were carrying.

David Sanders's avatar

What I don't get is no one in Ukraine has the soldiers backs. No uprising, no assanation attempts on the elites, Jews just totally dominate the Goyim

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David Sanders's avatar

They'll replace Zelensky with someone just like him, look at the politicians in America for example.. Last President to stand up for the people got whacked by the same people he was trying to rein in And then they handled the investigation

RalfB's avatar

"they'll replace Zelensky with someone just like him. . ."

Not quite---the replacement will be aware of what happened to Zelensky. That is likely to inspire him to a much more reasonable attitude.

David Sanders's avatar

When someone in the Ukraine govt steps up and releases the stats on how many are dead, be it a leak or just someone with the courage to put the truth out, the dufus goyim will probably not rise up

Paul Jurczak's avatar

Russian MOD overestimates the number of Ukrainian soldiers in these areas. Many somewhat neutral reporters estimate the number at Pokrovsk/Mirnograd trap at about 1 to 1.5 thousand, which seems to be in line with AFUs personnel problems and widely reported low density of personnel on the frontline.

Putin knows that it is too early for Zelenskyy to give up. He is hoping for some bad publicity from the frontline delivered by western media to shock the European public and increase pressure on seeking a resolution to the conflict. Of course, surrendering these pockets would be good for both sides, leading to much less death and destruction.

Darras's avatar

Our leaders, in Europe don't give a shit of our opinion. They are only bothered by oligarchs opinion.

Feral Finster's avatar

I suspect that both the Russians and Ukrainians grossly overestimate enemy casualties. The difference is that the Russians actually believe their own estimates (and never are taken serious) while the Ukrainians know perfectly well that they are lying (and their word is treated as Gospel truth).

Dideriño's avatar

I do not think so. Just ask yourself: Last 10 or so KIA exchange: roughly 30:1. Mass graves visible vie satellite: Ukraine. Refusing taking all KIA back: Ukraine. Grabbing men, dog, and cat from the street: Ukraine. Outproducing the entire West with artillery-shells ten to three-fold: Russia. Escalation dominance: Russia. Advancing: Russia. Devastating cauldrons: Ukraine. ...etc.

Feral Finster's avatar

If Russian numbers were to be believed, Ukraine would have collapsed long ago.

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

Doesnt the Red Cross know the total number of POWs on both sides. Additionally, where are they being held the POW camps on the Russian side must be huge. I would think. Wheres the Red Cross ?

Feral Finster's avatar

Similar are the supposed mass desertions. To believe that hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have deserted, one has to ask where they went, where do they stay, what do they eat? There would have to be deserters swarming Ukraine like a plague of locusts.

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Darras's avatar

Yes, yes, I know this song, it's the big hit of Escobar covered by all AMC since soon 4 years.

Escobar play this song with his flute to bring the kids of Hammeln drowning in the river.

Darras's avatar

You don't know the story of the children of Hammeln?

Read it on Wikipedia.

It's an old tale.

Dideriño's avatar

I am from Germany. So I even know Hameln itself.

Darras's avatar

That become ridiculous.

When you look at the russian official numbers, they are supposed to have destroyed more Ukrainian tanks, guns and MLRS that what have been produced in the whole world since 50 years.

Dideriño's avatar

"Neutral Reporters" were invited to Pokrovsk by VVP with security guarantee but Ze declined. - So what are you talking about?

Paul Jurczak's avatar

Western reporters does not equal neutral reporters. I'm talking about sources like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGGjN5m06f0 Not a direct source, but so far pretty reliable.

Jojo's avatar

Time for Ukraine to surrender and give up. The country was never willing to put all their resources into the fight. They STILL refuse to draft their 18-25 year olds, unlike every other country in the world that has ever gone to war. It's inexplicable!

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Nearly 100,000 Young Men Flee Ukraine In 2 Months Following Loosened Restrictions

Thursday, Oct 30, 2025 - 11:45 PM

Media reports in Europe, including in The Telegraph and Politico, are this week documenting a new massive surge in young men fleeing Ukraine in order to not be conscripted, in which case they could be sent to front lines and face certain death.

"Almost 100,000 fighting-age Ukrainian men have left the country in the past two months after Volodymyr Zelensky eased departure rules, new figures show," The Telegraph reports.

The figures are primarily based on the Polish border guard, as the neighboring EU country shares a long border with Ukraine, and has been from the start of the war absorbing refugees and trying to maintain strict counts and records.

"Poland’s border guard said 99,000 Ukrainian men aged between 18 and 22 had crossed the frontier – the primary route out of the country – since regulations to ensure that Kyiv had enough soldiers were relaxed at the end of August," The Telegraph writes, and then reminds readers: "In comparison, the entire British Army has around 70,000 personnel."

Even after well over three years of grinding war and a huge loss of men in the fighting, there is yet no mobilization of those aged 18 to 25 in Ukraine. This fact has time and again angered American politicians, who have pressed Kiev to have standards in line with most of the rest of the world's militaries.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-100000-young-men-flee-ukraine-2-months-following-loosened-restrictions

Feral Finster's avatar

Why should they give up? The War has brought and continues to bring the Ukrainian rulers nothing but benefits.

Before the war, Ukraine was a corrupt, Nazi-infested dump. Now, it is The Beacon Of Muh Democracy, the country so democratic that it need not bother with tiresome elections or pesky terms of office, boring concepts like freedom of speech, religion or the press. Hell, it's the Fűhrerprinzip glorified.

Darras's avatar

Yes it's the golden statute: "our son of a bitch".

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All insurgence/resistance movements ever, the world over, were and are based on this demographic cohort, 18--25. The MI6 and CIA are perfectly aware of that. The Ukrainian colonial government is sparing these boys not out of the goodness of their heart, but because their masters are hoping to inconvenience Russia with insurgents, once the overt war is over.

ikester8's avatar

B at Moon of Alabama has a demographic chart by age of Ukrainians and it shows a marked dip in population around the 18-25 age group. So it's likely even the leadership doesn't want to destroy its demographic future by sacrificing this cohort.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/11/to-the-last-ukrainian.html

RalfB's avatar

They are trying to preserve the capacity for insurgence, not their slaves' futures, do not be ridiculous. Read my comment above.

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

LoonOfAlabama you say ??

ikester8's avatar

You have an argument against the demographic facts and not an ad hominem?

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

That site is full of pompous fanatics.

How does killing and maiming tens of thousands of Russian men help Russia's severe demographic problem ? How does killing millions of Ukrainian , Slavic men help the severe demographic problem faced by the White race ? The powers that be were already celebrating our collective demise 25 YEARS ago ! Putin's slo-mo SMO is making the situation that much worse.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

Darras's avatar

They don't give a fuck of their country.

Feral Finster's avatar

Why should they care? Their offspring are yukking it up in London or Miami.

JustPlainBill's avatar

Regarding your Point #5, that ship has already sailed. This is definitely now Trump's War.

Nikos's avatar

It was time...

Mediocrates's avatar

This is not down to Trump. This is for Zelensky alone to decide how to end this.

Walter DuBlanica's avatar

USA has not won a war in the past 75 years. The West ignited the war in Ukraine as a proxy war which they hoped would be called a defeat od Russia. This is NOT going to happen. Thewestern provence in Ukraine (Galicia) is about 10 to15 % of the territory and population of Ukraine. They are the ones causong the most chaos. Russia should take all the rest of the Ukraine . Galicia would then want to be under Russian control as the other option would be under :Poliah control whom they HATE. Take your time Putin . Ukraine is NOT a nationality it means (borderland ) Russia/Ukraine would be the largest/richest/most endowed with mineral and energy resources in the WORLD.

Darras's avatar

USA won all its wars since 75 years

The result of those wars matched almost perfectly wit their purpose.

Helga Weber's avatar

While reading this article and all the good comments I can only think of the 42 Mill. Americans who rely on food stamps.

Darras's avatar

No, no, no, not 42 millions Americans, but 42 millions people living in USA. How many Americans among them? Nobody knows.

It's the same in France. We have hundreds thousands homeless . Most of them are illegal aliens.

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