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Walter DuBlanica's avatar

Poles & Ukrainians have ben enemies for centuries. The idea of Polish troops in Ukraine will NEVER be accepted by Ukraine.

Zygmunt B's avatar

I don't think so... One think is the "ruling class", the other is the people. Their interests are not going together... Ordinary Poles have much more in common with ordinary Ukrainians then Poles with our "government (ruling class).

Feral Finster's avatar

The entire point of any deployment to Ukraine is to give Ukraine a shield behind which to engage in provocation, then run screaming "Article 5!" to the Americans if Russia responds.

Nakayama's avatar

Is it possible that such a proposal for a newly built European Legion, being too late to be effective in Ukraine, would be stationed inside Poland as a deterrent on the east side (and paid by Germany)? Poland's ground force looks reasonable on paper, and Poland has called up 200K reservists since the early days of the conflict (based on my memory). But that still looks a bit thin when compared against Russian ground forces.

Stephen Bobb's avatar

It doesn't matter. Any foreign tooips will be considered enemy combatants and eliminated. Poland already has substantial casualties, and anyone foolish enough to waste their life on behalf of the Empire is not a patriot, but a useful idiot that will become part of the black earth of Ukraine, and in doing so, become useful to the continuation of life itself.

ward142's avatar

I WONDER WHO IS TALKING TO WHO? The Poles are acting sneaky. Peacekeepers? Or an army of occupation. Would the Ukrainians allow the Poles to occupy former Polish territory? NO! They wouldn't. The Poles could only enter Ukraine with Russian contrivance. Under-the-table deal. What would the Russians get from the Poles in return? Perhaps a new Warsaw pact. You never know.

Zygmunt B's avatar

I would say Sikorski is an immoral mental fuck on the leash of CIA ..

Miguel Santos García's avatar

"Therein lies the principal difference since the “Army of Europe” is about uniting national armies, which is a pipe dream, while the “European Legion” is a voluntary force."

Also the wording --Legion-- makes me think they will accept foreigners, non-Europeans into this voluntary force.

Darras's avatar

Andrew, it's not a critic but it seems you have a real obsession with Poland, giving this country far more articles than any other. Is your audience primarily Polish?

Because Poland, on a global scale, is a dwarf with no more significance than Bolivia, Morocco, or Burma.

And on a European level, it's just a hot-air balloon stuffed with German and French money, and the USA's little bitch. Nothing else. Its entire economy is foreign-owned.

So much attention for so little.

Andrew Korybko's avatar

Hey Darras, I've already explained in my works why I believe that Poland has outsized importance in the emerging European security architecture. I've also explained why it's so important to Ukraine. That's why I cover it very closely.

Bolivia, Morocco, and Burma/Myanmar have nowhere near the significance to global processes like Poland has to the NATO-Russian proxy war in Ukraine, which has become the catalyst for accelerating global systemic change.

Andrew Korybko's avatar

In this particular case, it's not even so much about Poland per se, but about Europe as a whole given that Sikorski -- who's beloved among Europe's ruling liberal class -- proposed a "European Legion" that would include Ukraine.

I don't believe that it's insignificant that someone of his caliber on the continental stage -- and he's more important than he seems due to his decades of connections -- would float something that could end up being so important if it happens.

Anyhow, a lot of prominent European history is tied to Poland: the first and only time that Moscow was occupied for any considerable period, the Partitions, Napoleon's doomed invasion of Russia, many WWI battles, the start of WWII, and the beginning of the end of communism.

Now it's NATO's indispensable logistics hub for Ukraine and will play a major role in the emerging European security architecture even if only due to it now commanding European NATO's largest army (which is slightly larger than France's).

Darras's avatar

Indeed. Seen that way. It is true that without Poland, there would probably have been no world war. Or else the British and French would have kindly waited for the Germans to get bogged down in the USSR before attacking.

That said, what I said was just a little dig.

Quid bene amato bene castigat..

Laterna Magica's avatar

Dear Darras, you may think this is just an obsession of Andrzej’s, but it’s pure geopolitics: Poland lies at the heart of Europe, at the crossroads of trade routes, just like Iran in Asia, and that’s enough to make everyone want to control it—that’s the first point. Second, don’t you think that the statement, “Without Poland, there would have been no World War,” perfectly sums you up? Do you have any arguments to support your thesis?

Darras's avatar

UK and France declared war to Germany following the invasion of Poland.

Hitler proved several times that he didn't want war with UK at any price and all his words and books showed a deep contempt for a "debased" France that he wanted like a big Swiss. To keep their word, Anglo-French launched the WW2. They lost their sovereignty and their place of big power.

Laterna Magica's avatar

Following your line of reasoning, do you think that if Poland hadn't existed, there wouldn't have been a World War II either?