It appears to some Indians that the West wants to keep Pakistan as a back-up plan for containing India in the event that it ever becomes their economic competitor like China earlier became.
I think it makes more sense to speak of "Eurabia" (or an "Islamic NATO") than "Europe" today. A pan-Islamic superpower and its EU clients are getting ready for war vs. multipolar "infidels" such as Russia, China, India, Israel, and the U.S. Manipulating the latter and triggering internecine conflict are part of the plan.
Are you alluding to current EU elites or to the old imperialists as well? There is continuity, but circumstances have changed over time as well (i.e., the Anglo-American alliance with Muslim powers vs. the USSR). During the Cold War the West propped up Islamist regimes vs. "Red"-leaning non-aligned states such as India, for instance.
Nope - the current elites. Before WW1, both USA and UK were particularly Jewish-friendly. For example, France was on the receiving end of a lot of criticism from UK on its treatment of Captain Alfred Dreyfus. For example, via the British Lord Chief Justice Lord Russell of Killowen in 1899.
" This statement originates from a speech delivered by European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.While addressing Ben-Gurion University, she stated that Europe embodies values such as "the Jewish sense of personal responsibility, of justice, and of solidarity". She highlighted these Talmudic principles as a core component of Western civilization's shared ethical heritage."
Ursula von der Leyen is lying through her teeth. She's just saying it because it costs nothing. At the same time, the EU apparatus sitting in Belgium is thinking about ways of both sanctioning Israel and sanctioning Jewish life in the EU. For example, Belgium is in the process of banning Jewish circumcision and kosher slaughter of animals.
I don't know what Europeans you're talking about. There's nothing common between a Balte and a Greek, a Danish , a french or an Italian.
In France the only people who hate Jews are people culturally from Magreb. French don't hate Jew at all. If you take the five most appreciated people in France, three are Jew.
France don't hate Russian, they only can't stand the idea that Russia can be better than West. It's not hate, it's racism. You know, French really like Poles. Like cousins. But they feel themselves as superior toward Poles that toward Russians. And it's the same for Serbs, Croates, Slovaks, Romanian.
No, French don't hate Russians.
The only racial hate you can see in France is towards Arabs and Muslims and it's only a minority.
And French don't know nor care of India. They absolutely don't know it, they have a huge respect for Gandhi or Nehru, they think India is exotic and exciting but absolutely no hate nor racism against India. French are far more wary of China.
I don't understand how you can put 500 millions of people, 30 countries, 8 religions, 24 language, and so different cultures in the same bag.
Indian arms weren't used in the conflict as far as I'm aware, and moreover, it's irrelevant to the point of European arms being used against India. The European arms weren't sold to Pakistan in response to growing Indian-Israeli relations.
The overall context made it seem like you thought or wanted people to think that European arms are used against India in defense of Palestine or something.
I feel like you discredited criticism of Jaishankar’s point in this thread by bringing up something so unrelated. Anyhow, it’s not important enough for me to dwell on.
Genocide. I will tell you about genocide. My family is originally from a place now called Kandahar. Moved from there hundreds of years ago to Kashmir. Then to Lahore.
In 1947, 20% of Pakistan were Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians. Today that number is less than 2%.
My father was 11 when he escaped being burnt alive. My grandmother was not so lucky. Her last act was to her 2 sons out of the back balcony of their house.
It's interesting of course that British Administration favored the Muslims right up to the date when the Indian Raj broke apart into the Pakistan, India proper and Bangladesh in 1947.
Oh, stfu, you moron. Stop crying and stop playing the victim like Israelis did. You idiots idolized Israel amid its genocide in Gaza, welcomed those freaking IDF psychopaths into your country as tourists, and begged them to click photos with you. I visited once in 2023 and was shocked to see that you folks are Zionist slaves.
Of course, I believe India is simply another Israel in South Asia—a genocidal state. India learned from Israel how to terrorize minorities in Kashmir. The whole world knows it.
That said, Andrew is undoubtedly a great scholar. But I know that if he ever dared to criticize India even once, scammers and hyper-nationalists from india would flood his comment section like a tsunami.
Thanks for the kind words, but actually, I was extraordinarily critical of India from 2017-2021 due to what I sincerely regarded as its pro-US pivot at the time, which I considered to be at the expense of Russia’s interests and thus risking a Sino-US bi-multipolar future at both India and Russia’s expense.
Bu late 2021, I was confident enough in India’s policy recalibration under Jaishankar to adjust my analyses, which laid the basis for what I produce to this day, albeit of course with some minor adjustments since then. You can Google my older works, they’re still available online by sites that republished them at the time (most were on now-shuttered platforms).
It’s called the “Arc of Crisis” - Europe has been playing it like a ukulele for sixty years.
I think it makes more sense to speak of "Eurabia" (or an "Islamic NATO") than "Europe" today. A pan-Islamic superpower and its EU clients are getting ready for war vs. multipolar "infidels" such as Russia, China, India, Israel, and the U.S. Manipulating the latter and triggering internecine conflict are part of the plan.
Europeans hate Jews, hate Russians, and hate Indians in this sequence. Occasionally, they accommodate them, but there is hate nevertheless.
Since the beginning of the SMO I've realised that Hinduphobes, anti-Semites and Russophobes are by and large the same group of people.
India has played a duplicitous role in regards to BRICS. Very slimy.
If I could, I would have put like 5 times to your comment. Yep, same type of monsters.
Are you alluding to current EU elites or to the old imperialists as well? There is continuity, but circumstances have changed over time as well (i.e., the Anglo-American alliance with Muslim powers vs. the USSR). During the Cold War the West propped up Islamist regimes vs. "Red"-leaning non-aligned states such as India, for instance.
Nope - the current elites. Before WW1, both USA and UK were particularly Jewish-friendly. For example, France was on the receiving end of a lot of criticism from UK on its treatment of Captain Alfred Dreyfus. For example, via the British Lord Chief Justice Lord Russell of Killowen in 1899.
" Europeans hate Jews, "
They sure do.
" This statement originates from a speech delivered by European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.While addressing Ben-Gurion University, she stated that Europe embodies values such as "the Jewish sense of personal responsibility, of justice, and of solidarity". She highlighted these Talmudic principles as a core component of Western civilization's shared ethical heritage."
Ursula von der Leyen is lying through her teeth. She's just saying it because it costs nothing. At the same time, the EU apparatus sitting in Belgium is thinking about ways of both sanctioning Israel and sanctioning Jewish life in the EU. For example, Belgium is in the process of banning Jewish circumcision and kosher slaughter of animals.
If it was only true. However, even if it was , Israel needs many sanctions and child mutilation and animal torture have no place in our societies.
I don't know what Europeans you're talking about. There's nothing common between a Balte and a Greek, a Danish , a french or an Italian.
In France the only people who hate Jews are people culturally from Magreb. French don't hate Jew at all. If you take the five most appreciated people in France, three are Jew.
France don't hate Russian, they only can't stand the idea that Russia can be better than West. It's not hate, it's racism. You know, French really like Poles. Like cousins. But they feel themselves as superior toward Poles that toward Russians. And it's the same for Serbs, Croates, Slovaks, Romanian.
No, French don't hate Russians.
The only racial hate you can see in France is towards Arabs and Muslims and it's only a minority.
And French don't know nor care of India. They absolutely don't know it, they have a huge respect for Gandhi or Nehru, they think India is exotic and exciting but absolutely no hate nor racism against India. French are far more wary of China.
I don't understand how you can put 500 millions of people, 30 countries, 8 religions, 24 language, and so different cultures in the same bag.
There were very few people from Maghreb in fin de siecle France during the trials of Alfred Dreyfus.
Indian arms weren't used in the conflict as far as I'm aware, and moreover, it's irrelevant to the point of European arms being used against India. The European arms weren't sold to Pakistan in response to growing Indian-Israeli relations.
Those are four companies, that’s not the same as India as a state like your initial comment implied.
Most of the world doesn’t do “BDS”, and the issue is irrelevant in any case to the subject that I wrote about.
I really, really don’t like “whataboutisms”, I interpret them as the person not having any direct response to the subject matter.
“What about India’s role in the genocide” has nothing to do with European arms being used against India. I genuinely don’t see the connection, at all.
The overall context made it seem like you thought or wanted people to think that European arms are used against India in defense of Palestine or something.
I feel like you discredited criticism of Jaishankar’s point in this thread by bringing up something so unrelated. Anyhow, it’s not important enough for me to dwell on.
1. Evidence?
2. What of it?
Prof Introvert would next speak of Indian genocide vs the Kashmiris. Same slop.
Genocide. I will tell you about genocide. My family is originally from a place now called Kandahar. Moved from there hundreds of years ago to Kashmir. Then to Lahore.
In 1947, 20% of Pakistan were Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians. Today that number is less than 2%.
My father was 11 when he escaped being burnt alive. My grandmother was not so lucky. Her last act was to her 2 sons out of the back balcony of their house.
So I ask again? Genocide: what of it?
It's interesting of course that British Administration favored the Muslims right up to the date when the Indian Raj broke apart into the Pakistan, India proper and Bangladesh in 1947.
Oh, stfu, you moron. Stop crying and stop playing the victim like Israelis did. You idiots idolized Israel amid its genocide in Gaza, welcomed those freaking IDF psychopaths into your country as tourists, and begged them to click photos with you. I visited once in 2023 and was shocked to see that you folks are Zionist slaves.
Now get the hell out of here.
Of course, I believe India is simply another Israel in South Asia—a genocidal state. India learned from Israel how to terrorize minorities in Kashmir. The whole world knows it.
That said, Andrew is undoubtedly a great scholar. But I know that if he ever dared to criticize India even once, scammers and hyper-nationalists from india would flood his comment section like a tsunami.
Thanks for the kind words, but actually, I was extraordinarily critical of India from 2017-2021 due to what I sincerely regarded as its pro-US pivot at the time, which I considered to be at the expense of Russia’s interests and thus risking a Sino-US bi-multipolar future at both India and Russia’s expense.
Bu late 2021, I was confident enough in India’s policy recalibration under Jaishankar to adjust my analyses, which laid the basis for what I produce to this day, albeit of course with some minor adjustments since then. You can Google my older works, they’re still available online by sites that republished them at the time (most were on now-shuttered platforms).
Obama 3rd term aka the Biden admin was unable to give up it's love affair with the Kashmiri jihadis. At some point, India responded...