We can be sure that European Union and the Collective West, so sensitive about human rights of various groups and minorities, will assure that Russian can be freely spoken in Ukraine, a peaceful nation, dedicated to values based on individual freedoms, human dignity, and political pluralism. [https://www.csis.org/analysis/why-ukraine-strategic-european-and-us-ally] ;-)
Being able to speak Russian is somehow a glitch for peace? This is a joke right? If it’s not then I say let them keep fighting until Russia has taken over all the land that wishes to be and speak Russian. You cannot have a country that doesn’t have a national language. Trump again made English the national language. That doesn’t mean you cannot speak another but it means everything is to be written in English. That would be street signs or highway signs. Election voting booths are in English. Countries that have several languages are never really united. Look at Canada they have Quebec that wants to deep down secede from Canada and be its own country and Montreal would be happy to also. It’s ridiculous to make that demand for peace to survive. If those people feel so strongly about it they should move back to Russia. Oh, wait. They like the freedom of Ukraine right? Assimilate!
Andrey, why bother? Take what is your and finito. ukrabanderites hates Russians, they hate Poles and they hate everyone. Your areas are: Suma, Kharkiv, Lughansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Mykolaiv and Odesa. Destroy all bridges on Dnieper, Dniestr and Bug Rivers, destroy all boarder crossing with Poland and Romania Plus bomb iSSrahell, us, uk, finland, sweden, estonia, latvia, lithuania, germany, holland and canada embassies and wait for their vomits. No discussions.
To hope for US to help in this matter is imho delusional, because it presupposes an interest of this party to achieve peace. While it is in their original interest to keep this country in chaos and turmoil, the citizens fighting each other.
Sowing discontent and unrest will keep the civil war going as long as it suits the US, and nothing works better for this purpose than confronting people 24/7 with their disagreements over an essential human feature: their language.
The Europeans supported and enhanced the Nazi-Banderites in Galicia that were used to effect regime change in the Maidan Coup. Prior to that event were years of NED et al Western propaganda influencing the population to seek Europe and reject Russia (this is a standard 'divide and rule' ploy—hate Russians but don't look at us oligarchs). By Russia removing the Banderites by force or their volition and cutting off Western influence, I have to believe that Ukrainians can come to their senses again.
"Only the US is capable of pulling this off since Russia lacks influence over Ukraine’s political processes."
This lack of influence is the result of Russian dithering and indecision.
Get it through your thick head, Lavrov, nobody of influence and authority in Ukraine or elsewhere cares about past history, except to the extent they can weaponize it today.
It would be difficult as the four oblasts with the highest concentration of Russian speakers had voted to join Russia and were accepted. It seems to me that only Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv, and Odessa have predominantly Russian-speaking people. Going further west, a political solution would be more difficult. And this is why Putin wants to treat the war as SMO rather than the WW2-style Red Army counterattacks to drive the Germans out.
When I lived in Ukraine, very few people outside of Galicia spoke Ukrainian on a daily basis. In the office, when we had to fill out official forms, we used to get into discussion of how to say something in Ukrainian, what was proper, and often there were disagreements.
True story, no lie: I was at a closing of an agreement between a Kiev businessman and a representative of the Yushchenko government. As was required by law, the contract was written in Ukrainian. As the parties prepared to sign, they asked me the meanings of some basic Ukrainian words in the contract.
So I had to translate, into Russian. For two Ukrainians. I have not a drop of Slavic blood in me, strictly feline, and I have never had so much as a single Ukrainian lesson, but I knew more Ukrainian than either of these two.
Thank you for reporting your personal experience. Would you say after 2008 with a stronger nationalism push, Ukrainian language adoption has become wider and deeper? or you are inclined to say the change is more superficial, kind of like using Ukrainian in the government-related business, but using Russian in corner stores? Or?
I did not notice a change until after I left in 2012.
BTW, I interacted with the government entirely in Russian, unless filling out a form or petition, making an argument in court, or similar. Lot of people just wrote out forms and gave testimony in Russian, regardless.
What happened was that it became clear that adopting the nationalist ideology was a condition to admission to The Club.
Ukrainian laws proscribing "national language" are ridiculous considering that the majority of Ukrainians either speak or at least understand Russian. The languages are similar. There are many instances where nations respect "indigenous" as well as adopted languages. Canada is an example where Quebec Province is mostly French speaking but English is well understood. Basque regions of Spain, German speaking regions of Romania, Maori speaking people of New Zealand also communicate with English speaking "Kiwis".
The UK, German, French and USA politicians can help to solve this issue and thus continue seeking peace through diplomatic channels.
Either Bandera is a national hero, or the Russian language, there is no third option.
We can be sure that European Union and the Collective West, so sensitive about human rights of various groups and minorities, will assure that Russian can be freely spoken in Ukraine, a peaceful nation, dedicated to values based on individual freedoms, human dignity, and political pluralism. [https://www.csis.org/analysis/why-ukraine-strategic-european-and-us-ally] ;-)
Being able to speak Russian is somehow a glitch for peace? This is a joke right? If it’s not then I say let them keep fighting until Russia has taken over all the land that wishes to be and speak Russian. You cannot have a country that doesn’t have a national language. Trump again made English the national language. That doesn’t mean you cannot speak another but it means everything is to be written in English. That would be street signs or highway signs. Election voting booths are in English. Countries that have several languages are never really united. Look at Canada they have Quebec that wants to deep down secede from Canada and be its own country and Montreal would be happy to also. It’s ridiculous to make that demand for peace to survive. If those people feel so strongly about it they should move back to Russia. Oh, wait. They like the freedom of Ukraine right? Assimilate!
Andrey, why bother? Take what is your and finito. ukrabanderites hates Russians, they hate Poles and they hate everyone. Your areas are: Suma, Kharkiv, Lughansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Mykolaiv and Odesa. Destroy all bridges on Dnieper, Dniestr and Bug Rivers, destroy all boarder crossing with Poland and Romania Plus bomb iSSrahell, us, uk, finland, sweden, estonia, latvia, lithuania, germany, holland and canada embassies and wait for their vomits. No discussions.
To hope for US to help in this matter is imho delusional, because it presupposes an interest of this party to achieve peace. While it is in their original interest to keep this country in chaos and turmoil, the citizens fighting each other.
Sowing discontent and unrest will keep the civil war going as long as it suits the US, and nothing works better for this purpose than confronting people 24/7 with their disagreements over an essential human feature: their language.
The Europeans supported and enhanced the Nazi-Banderites in Galicia that were used to effect regime change in the Maidan Coup. Prior to that event were years of NED et al Western propaganda influencing the population to seek Europe and reject Russia (this is a standard 'divide and rule' ploy—hate Russians but don't look at us oligarchs). By Russia removing the Banderites by force or their volition and cutting off Western influence, I have to believe that Ukrainians can come to their senses again.
"Only the US is capable of pulling this off since Russia lacks influence over Ukraine’s political processes."
This lack of influence is the result of Russian dithering and indecision.
Get it through your thick head, Lavrov, nobody of influence and authority in Ukraine or elsewhere cares about past history, except to the extent they can weaponize it today.
It would be difficult as the four oblasts with the highest concentration of Russian speakers had voted to join Russia and were accepted. It seems to me that only Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv, and Odessa have predominantly Russian-speaking people. Going further west, a political solution would be more difficult. And this is why Putin wants to treat the war as SMO rather than the WW2-style Red Army counterattacks to drive the Germans out.
When I lived in Ukraine, very few people outside of Galicia spoke Ukrainian on a daily basis. In the office, when we had to fill out official forms, we used to get into discussion of how to say something in Ukrainian, what was proper, and often there were disagreements.
True story, no lie: I was at a closing of an agreement between a Kiev businessman and a representative of the Yushchenko government. As was required by law, the contract was written in Ukrainian. As the parties prepared to sign, they asked me the meanings of some basic Ukrainian words in the contract.
So I had to translate, into Russian. For two Ukrainians. I have not a drop of Slavic blood in me, strictly feline, and I have never had so much as a single Ukrainian lesson, but I knew more Ukrainian than either of these two.
I have other such stories.
Thank you for reporting your personal experience. Would you say after 2008 with a stronger nationalism push, Ukrainian language adoption has become wider and deeper? or you are inclined to say the change is more superficial, kind of like using Ukrainian in the government-related business, but using Russian in corner stores? Or?
I did not notice a change until after I left in 2012.
BTW, I interacted with the government entirely in Russian, unless filling out a form or petition, making an argument in court, or similar. Lot of people just wrote out forms and gave testimony in Russian, regardless.
What happened was that it became clear that adopting the nationalist ideology was a condition to admission to The Club.
Ukrainian laws proscribing "national language" are ridiculous considering that the majority of Ukrainians either speak or at least understand Russian. The languages are similar. There are many instances where nations respect "indigenous" as well as adopted languages. Canada is an example where Quebec Province is mostly French speaking but English is well understood. Basque regions of Spain, German speaking regions of Romania, Maori speaking people of New Zealand also communicate with English speaking "Kiwis".
The UK, German, French and USA politicians can help to solve this issue and thus continue seeking peace through diplomatic channels.
US demanded than language be suppressed from day one