People are always looking for heroes, and when some leader comes along saying and doing some things they like, they tend to project all of their own aspirations onto him. When he fails to live up to their expectations in some way, they feel cognitive dissonance and even betrayal.
Orban's a Hungarian nationalist who has a realistic outlook concerning Russia and NATO, but, like Putin, is an Israel supporter as well. Personally I think they're both fools in that regard, but then again neither of their countries is PAYING for Israel's continued existence, so it's not as if Israel is their problem, and nobody's ever perfect anyway.
Russia has very explicitly criticized Israel's actions, HU not. HU has defended Israel at The Hague in front of ICJ concerning the illegal occupation and treatment of Palestinians beyond the 1967 border. There is a difference in the support of Israel between Putin and Orban.
Orban is clearly suffering from an advanced stage Stockholm Syndrome. His partial populist tendencies placed him on a collision course with the heavy hitters of the EU/NATO/US coalition where ALL were up in arms against him until the arrival of the Orange Man. He had to live and survive among them while playing his games and Trump is unlikely to place a high priority on protecting him. One thing he could not afford – and he might have learned this from Trump – you can achieve a lot but you cannot struggle with the Jewish Mafia. And Budapest has a major collection of these usual suspects. I have actually seen a video of him at a political meeting where Zelensky and two of his tugs stood around him in a threatening manner, pushing him toward a door with his back for a face off. Orban has every reason to worry, as of now the EU/NATO coalition has not changed, yet.
Orban has been very pro-Israeli and even Zionist by the standard textbook definition long before he became Europe and NATO's black sheep so I don't believe that he's under any pressure from Israelis, Zionists, Jews, etc.
Sometimes people can sincerely hold what others consider to be contradictory views, such as Orban's Zionism and pragmatism towards Russia, it's not always part of some blackmail plot. He really believes that they're not mutually exclusive and they aren't in my opinion.
Orban was brought up and finished his education to become a lawyer under the communist structure. During the last years of communism, when the end was clearly visible to many already, he actually started to work for the Soros organization as a paid employee and received financial help for his studies in Oxford. At every turn of his life as an adult he displayed full conformism to superior forces around him. One hidden but dramatic characteristics of Hungarian communism was the heavy presence of Zionism from the 1919 communist revolution all the way to the final collapse of the Soviet Bloc and after, to this day. From around 1990 he became increasingly unhappy with his leftist gang and started to turn toward the right. He fundamentally correctly understood that this is the political future to unite a basically Christian and conservative population. As far as conforming to the overwhelming Jewish political, media and financial power in Budapest he has realized that his chances to make it in politics are zero in case of any confrontation and he acted accordingly. On the other hand the Zionists did not kill him only because they realized that they have to live with a leader who will be acceptable for the majority after the near collapse of the Gyurcsany government in 2006. (There were plenty of murders in Hungary for political and financial reasons before the Orban rule.) In other words Orban was a leftist and pragmatist who turned toward a populist inclination but certainly not a revolutionary. True populists are already going after him because of the draconian execution of forced immunization and the giant wave of corruption centered around his family, friends and associates. I would not be surprised if sometimes during the next decade the Zionist Bloc will be the one that will manipulate for Orban’s survival as anything that can come after him might shift further to the right.
It does add up: the pressure that the EU and NATO put upon Orban for years, I think almost a decade already if not longer if I'm not mistaken, was very real. It wasn't some show just to deceive the masses. There's no evidence that they all faked it, and for what? Just to make people like Orban only for him to end up very dramatically doing something that not even the EU and NATO elites themselves have done with regard to Israel? Respectfully, that's very far-fetched.
That's why I was talking about Stockholm Syndrome, they were treating him like a subjugated prisoner and kicking him every day on and on. If you pull up articles from U.S. media from 2024 and earlier with his name there are literally thousands of them calling him dirty this and that daily. Actually he developed a direction concerning the Ukraine war and kept following it to the point where he encouraged other European leaders to side with him. He kept saying that Hungary should not leave the EU after they ripped off Hungary to tens of billions euros because Hungary has to stay inside and work for changes. And he did achieve certain things.
NATO doesn't support Israel. UK, France, Spain, Turkey and Germany - to mention all the largest non-US NATO nations - are openly quite hostile to Israel. That Israel is able to thrive is due to its balancing act, currently between USA, India and Russia. On the other hand, Ukraine constantly supports anti-Israel resolutions.
Anyway, Israel would never have been established, were it not due to the UN intervention by Andrei Gromyko in May 1947, and the military support from East European states aligned with Soviet Union. In the decisive half a year before May 1948 the US were constantly pleading against establishing the Jewish state.
Tons. They are working on 4 fronts: military, media, subversion of Israeli society and international lawfare.
Military - all of the 4 countries have blocked military exports to Israel that Israel really needs. Of course, things Israel doesn't need they provide. Besides, in case of a major war - like the Yom Kippur war in 1973 - they will block US equipment transfer. This is a possible scenario in case of a two-front war of Egypt & Turkey vs Israel. In 1973, Israel was saved by the Portuguese that at that time were not yet in the EU. Every other country - Germany, Britain, France, Benelux, Italy - ordered US logistics to close for supplies to Israel.
Media - obvious. The pro-Hamas protests are spoon fed by the official media in the EU countries. If in doubt, just look at how the official media view the situation in Ukraine and the situation in Gaza.
Subversion of the Israeli society - obvious too. The anti-government newspapers have their losses covered by EU sources. Same for the "human rights" NGOs. The same situation as in Russia or in Hungary.
Lawfare - ICC operates under EU diktat. France, Britain and Germany are all happy that ICC issued the arrest warrent for Bibi N. ICC's Chief Prosecutor is a British citizen who's chummy with Sir Keir Starmer. Same countries are also happy for arrest warrents for Putin.
If military aid has been blocked, which I am doubtful about, then that is in line with ICJ request to halt the killing because it is likely a genocide, so those countries would be obeying the highest court in the world and I applaud that.
There is no pro-Hamas spin in western MSM, just a whitewashing of Israeli killings (oh, pinpoint, surgical, etc.) and blocking of all aid for Gaza, i.e. enforcing famine.
EU at the highest levels are cheeck and jowl with Israel, so your assertions have no basis.
If you have followed the travails and tribulations of ICC and ICJ, you would see that none of the big players intervened against Israel, but for Israel. And the Chief Prosecutor at ICC is being witch hunted.
Shut up or put up, people are sick and tired of all this fake Israeli histerics and hasbara.
Of course - Stalin, Gromyko and Molotov probably had a very detailed discussion of pros and cons. And based on that discussion, decided to outflank the Truman administration. In the end, it was deftly executed and produced a huge diplomatic success in form of a major embarassment for the Ango-American side. If you read the diplomatic dispatches to the US state department 1947-48, the Yanks were really hurt.
I do not believe that Orban will ever develop the taste for a confrontation with the Zionist Bloc in Budapest. He just does not have it in his personality. In addition he is already vulnerable from the Right and is constantly attacked by the Left. He is not going to place himself between a rock and hard place. In case his situation becomes hopeless he might elevate into power a true Hungarian nationalist as a last act of defiance. He simply does not have the personal force and authority to duplicate a Putin like move against the Zionists and the Oligarchic class.
I stopped reading at this: "Therein lies an important point to be made about the highly diverse group of people who rely on non-Mainstream Media sources for guidance and contribute to discussions within this community."
This is bull manure and it is beneath Mr. Korybko.
The issue with Mr. Orban is threefold:
UNGA has asked for legal advice and ICJ has provided it last year concerning Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands outside 1967 boundary, and the legal opinion was that Israel's is an illegal occupation, while the treatment of Palestinians is unlawful and equivalent to apartheid. Which B'Tselem as well as many Israeli officials have recognized as being the case.
ICJ has also found Israel as likly commiting genocide (Israel has admitted that wants to conduct "voluntary resetlement" aka ethnic cleansing) and asked to stop its actions. Israel has stopped deliveries of any food and medicine to Gaza BEFORE the visit in Hungary. The Bronze Age barbarians, aka the Greeks, have permitted the supply of food to Troj for 20 years before taking it. Israeli are beyond contempt and beyond that age of barbarism:
"“The IDF really is fulfilling the public’s wishes, which state: ‘There are no innocents in Gaza. We’ll show them,'” one reserve warrant officer explained. “People were incriminated for having bags in their hands. Guy showed up with a bag? Incriminated, terrorist. I believe they came to pick hubeiza, but… boom,” tank shells were fired at him from half a mile away.
In a separate interview with The Guardian, that same officer said that at first, his attitude toward invading Gaza was, “I went there because they killed us and now we’re going to kill them.”
This is not Alt-Media stuff, but UNGA, ICJ, and ICC.
Yes, Orban and Hungary have been consistent on this, soo consistent. Hungary was one of the few countries that openly argue for the legality of Israel's actions with regards to occupation (Canada for instance also intervened, but just submitted a closed envelope and we don't have a record what BS they presented, but we do have HU crap).
HU also has lingerings for territory and a penchant for national purity. If they want to keep it (93.5% overall, and everywhere over 90%), they should stay within the present borders. But, it looks to me that Israel's approach has great appeal to Hungary...
And no, feeling "guilty" for the deportation of over 400,000 Jews from Hungary and occupied Northern Transylvania (Elie Wiesel and Miklos Nyiszli - I Was Doctor Mengele's Assistant (Grey Zone movie) where fromm occupied Romanian territory) is not going to cut it, not a single bit. One doesn't fix a wrong with another wrong.
Nothing Mr. Orban is doing is "Christian" (the two most important tennets of Jesus Christ were: Love thy Lord and Love thy Neighbour). Unless thy neighour is Hungarian... and thy lord is St. Paul's lord, not Jesus and James' lord...
Jews have been a dominating force in Europe for a long time. Some survived WW2, some came back to Europe. I guess they are a force to reckon with inside Hungary as well. More possibly, when people figure out who the real boss is behind the US behemoth, they talk to the real master. That is only natural. Eventually there will be a dichotomy, those who choose to put down the evil masters with high collateral costs and those who choose the easy path to side with the behemoth. When neutrality is not allowed, we will have WW3.
Jews were never a dominating force. For example, Jews were expelled in Spain in 1492 and even now, Jewish numbers in Spain are minuscule. And where did it get Spain in the 17th century and beyond?
There is a difference between being a dominating force and being a useful tool. Hence, Oliver Cromwell decided to readmit Jews to Britain in 1653. He did it because he found it difficult to dominate the sea lanes vs the Dutch without access to international finance. Of course he also had theological reasons to do it, but that is how politics often are.
It's not that she had perfectly expressed opinions. Everyone has opinions. I do, you do, name someone who doesn't. It's that by mid 16th century, Spanish power went into collapse versus British and Dutch. It never really recovered. In the 1920s the Spanish nationalist conservative Miguel Primo de Rivera introduced the law of return which was then upheld as law of the land by Generalissimo Franco.
Interestingly Queen Isabella had the very same issues with the local Jews as the Hungarians while they were finishing off the 150 year long Ottoman occupation of their nation. The international army of the Holly League gathered a very large army for the siege of Buda (today Budapest) and took the city after a series of long and bloody battles. (This was their second attempt to take Buda.) When they entered the city the Hungarians found to their greatest horror that their local Jewish population fought against them with the Ottomans. After proper punishment they sold off the survivors into slavery and effectively reduced their numbers in the country for the next century. Basically, this was a mirror image of the 1492 Spanish act.
I think what is more likely, is that Israel has kompromat on Orban. The link to Hungary regarding the exploding pager’s for example. Orban is a racist and no doubt a genuine antisemite to.
I don't think so. He's been very pro-Israeli for a while, this is just the latest and most dramatic manifestation. Orban appears to be a very passionate philo-Semite too.
I do not believe he really likes them as nobody, not even their mamma likes them. He trained himself to be a perfect chameleon as this was the price to build a major party in Budapest. FIDESZ his party kept struggling around the 5% vote level for some years and if he said just one bad word about his ultimate supervisors they would have dissolved his party easily.
I am trained to judge politicians from their acts ONLY. Whatever they say I simply memorize in a different compartment and never take seriously. Orban's actions in the last year turned dramatically against the EU/NATO gang and he was sticking to his program. Giorgia Meloni also with strong populist tendencies was a conformist pussycat compared to Orban.
Churchill wrote an article in 1920 about the soul of the Jewish people being torn between Bolshevism and Zionism. My take is that right wing western leaders know it’s impossible to reduce their influence as they are behind all the banks, do they have allies with the Zionists in order to defeat the Bolshevists (now social Marxists) who are worse. This confuses their voters who may dislike both groups’ goals. However it’s impossible to constrain Zionism until Bolshevism is defeated (again, it resurrects itself so often). Bolshevist imported millions of Muslims to Europe so now that Zionists see that as a bad thing, it’s a useful wedge. But Zionists have also been harmful to western interests (war spending, influence operations, possibly JFK’s demise, etc.) Those may be tackled through declassification, but Bolshevism has the worse propaganda and could destroy the west via replacement of the native population. Orban isn’t stupid, and he wants to tackle immigration and social issues at home before worrying about Gazans. It’s a matter of survival first before charity. Moreover, Gazans represent the people who are migrating to Europe and are immediately threatening the survival of its culture along with the Bolshevists, so…
The polls differ from the mainstream "manufactured consensus". It is topsy turvy. The "silent majority" has been declared fringe in sooo many aspects: it is fringe to want peace, it is fringe to want social democracy, it is fringe to be against identity policies, it is fringe to be anti-Zionist/Genocide/Etnic cleansing/Apartheid...
MY OLDEST FRIEND is HUNGARIAN ( for 60 years ).. I HAVE ALSO BEEN IN HUNGARY SEVERAL TIMES : SO I HAVE SOME AFFILIATION WITH HUNGARY:
MY FRIEND DOES NOT LIKE VICTOR ORBAN ; WHOM HE CONSIDERS THROUGH AND THROUGH KORRUPT . AND ON THIS I TRUST MY FRIEND . Besides everyone can wittness that Netanyahoo is a BLOODY KILLER OF INNOCENTS who is CO RESPONSIBLE for MILLIONS of KILLED .. all taken in account ... He is also a REPRESENTATIVE of MEGALOMANIAC JEWS who have caused enourmous Harm to Mankind.... for as long as History can tell . He is UNdefenceable and anyone who does reveals himself as a SCHYSTER ( to use a Jiddish expression )
MY OLDEST FRIEND is HUNGARIAN ( for 60 years ).. I HAVE ALSO BEEN IN HUNGARY SEVERAL TIMES : SO I HAVE SOME AFFILIATION WITH HUNGARY:
MY FRIEND DOES NOT LIKE VICTOR ORBAN ; WHOM HE CONSIDERS THROUGH AND THROUGH KORRUPT . AND ON THIS I TRUST MY FRIEND . Besides everyone can wittness that Netanyahoo is a BLOODY KILLER OF INNOCENTS who is CO RESPONSIBLE for MILLIONS of KILLED .. all taken in account ... He is also a REPRESENTATIVE of MEGALOMANIAC JEWS who have caused enourmous Harm to Mankind.... for as long as History can tell . He is UNdefenceable and anyone who does reveals himself as a SCHYSTER ( to use a Jiddish expression )
"“canceling” Orban for being a Zionist would also discredit his pragmatic policies towards Russia"
Personally, I have no idea, but some say that gentile Zionism is a form of antisemitism. They simply want Jews out of their countries; Palestine being, to them, as good as any other far-away place (Madagascar?). If so, wouldn't it also be a 'pragmatic policy'?
Hungary has Europe's third-largest Jewish community, Holocaust denial is banned, and Orban's overall friendliness towards Jews shows that he doesn't want them to leave.
I don't know where you got the idea after what he just did that he might want them to voluntarily migrate elsewhere. There's no credible indication that he has such an intent.
Okay, you can think that's the solution, but it's not an accurate reflection of the political situation and therefore doesn't help understand the dynamics nor predict future policy.
Don't insult me on my page or you'll be blocked. You're delusional if you expect Orban or whoever else to do what you demanded. In fact, Orban and Trump just did the exact opposite, which shows that you're just an angry activist who's divorced from reality and therefore can't predict leaders' policies on this issue.
"Touchy"? No, I just have more self-respect than those who you've previously attacked online as I'm certain you've done many times. My educational credentials put yours to shame, but they're irrelevant in this context.
You're the fool ignoring reality by keeping your hopes up that Trump and Orban will do what you demand. I can't imagine what runs through your mind to make you still believe that this might happen after what both just did. Anyhow, you're blocked for personally insulting me.
To everyone else, I actually encourage the sharing of respectfully expressed contrarian views, but I don't accept personal attacks and name-calling. Sometimes I'm generous and give someone a second chance like I did this troll but, as is almost always the case, they exploit it to keep abusing me.
People are always looking for heroes, and when some leader comes along saying and doing some things they like, they tend to project all of their own aspirations onto him. When he fails to live up to their expectations in some way, they feel cognitive dissonance and even betrayal.
Orban's a Hungarian nationalist who has a realistic outlook concerning Russia and NATO, but, like Putin, is an Israel supporter as well. Personally I think they're both fools in that regard, but then again neither of their countries is PAYING for Israel's continued existence, so it's not as if Israel is their problem, and nobody's ever perfect anyway.
Especially politicians.
Russia has very explicitly criticized Israel's actions, HU not. HU has defended Israel at The Hague in front of ICJ concerning the illegal occupation and treatment of Palestinians beyond the 1967 border. There is a difference in the support of Israel between Putin and Orban.
Orban is clearly suffering from an advanced stage Stockholm Syndrome. His partial populist tendencies placed him on a collision course with the heavy hitters of the EU/NATO/US coalition where ALL were up in arms against him until the arrival of the Orange Man. He had to live and survive among them while playing his games and Trump is unlikely to place a high priority on protecting him. One thing he could not afford – and he might have learned this from Trump – you can achieve a lot but you cannot struggle with the Jewish Mafia. And Budapest has a major collection of these usual suspects. I have actually seen a video of him at a political meeting where Zelensky and two of his tugs stood around him in a threatening manner, pushing him toward a door with his back for a face off. Orban has every reason to worry, as of now the EU/NATO coalition has not changed, yet.
Orban has been very pro-Israeli and even Zionist by the standard textbook definition long before he became Europe and NATO's black sheep so I don't believe that he's under any pressure from Israelis, Zionists, Jews, etc.
Sometimes people can sincerely hold what others consider to be contradictory views, such as Orban's Zionism and pragmatism towards Russia, it's not always part of some blackmail plot. He really believes that they're not mutually exclusive and they aren't in my opinion.
Orban was brought up and finished his education to become a lawyer under the communist structure. During the last years of communism, when the end was clearly visible to many already, he actually started to work for the Soros organization as a paid employee and received financial help for his studies in Oxford. At every turn of his life as an adult he displayed full conformism to superior forces around him. One hidden but dramatic characteristics of Hungarian communism was the heavy presence of Zionism from the 1919 communist revolution all the way to the final collapse of the Soviet Bloc and after, to this day. From around 1990 he became increasingly unhappy with his leftist gang and started to turn toward the right. He fundamentally correctly understood that this is the political future to unite a basically Christian and conservative population. As far as conforming to the overwhelming Jewish political, media and financial power in Budapest he has realized that his chances to make it in politics are zero in case of any confrontation and he acted accordingly. On the other hand the Zionists did not kill him only because they realized that they have to live with a leader who will be acceptable for the majority after the near collapse of the Gyurcsany government in 2006. (There were plenty of murders in Hungary for political and financial reasons before the Orban rule.) In other words Orban was a leftist and pragmatist who turned toward a populist inclination but certainly not a revolutionary. True populists are already going after him because of the draconian execution of forced immunization and the giant wave of corruption centered around his family, friends and associates. I would not be surprised if sometimes during the next decade the Zionist Bloc will be the one that will manipulate for Orban’s survival as anything that can come after him might shift further to the right.
It does add up: the pressure that the EU and NATO put upon Orban for years, I think almost a decade already if not longer if I'm not mistaken, was very real. It wasn't some show just to deceive the masses. There's no evidence that they all faked it, and for what? Just to make people like Orban only for him to end up very dramatically doing something that not even the EU and NATO elites themselves have done with regard to Israel? Respectfully, that's very far-fetched.
That's why I was talking about Stockholm Syndrome, they were treating him like a subjugated prisoner and kicking him every day on and on. If you pull up articles from U.S. media from 2024 and earlier with his name there are literally thousands of them calling him dirty this and that daily. Actually he developed a direction concerning the Ukraine war and kept following it to the point where he encouraged other European leaders to side with him. He kept saying that Hungary should not leave the EU after they ripped off Hungary to tens of billions euros because Hungary has to stay inside and work for changes. And he did achieve certain things.
NATO doesn't support Israel. UK, France, Spain, Turkey and Germany - to mention all the largest non-US NATO nations - are openly quite hostile to Israel. That Israel is able to thrive is due to its balancing act, currently between USA, India and Russia. On the other hand, Ukraine constantly supports anti-Israel resolutions.
Anyway, Israel would never have been established, were it not due to the UN intervention by Andrei Gromyko in May 1947, and the military support from East European states aligned with Soviet Union. In the decisive half a year before May 1948 the US were constantly pleading against establishing the Jewish state.
What anti-Israeli ACTION EU/NATO (outside US) countries you list have taken that you can mention?!
Tons. They are working on 4 fronts: military, media, subversion of Israeli society and international lawfare.
Military - all of the 4 countries have blocked military exports to Israel that Israel really needs. Of course, things Israel doesn't need they provide. Besides, in case of a major war - like the Yom Kippur war in 1973 - they will block US equipment transfer. This is a possible scenario in case of a two-front war of Egypt & Turkey vs Israel. In 1973, Israel was saved by the Portuguese that at that time were not yet in the EU. Every other country - Germany, Britain, France, Benelux, Italy - ordered US logistics to close for supplies to Israel.
Media - obvious. The pro-Hamas protests are spoon fed by the official media in the EU countries. If in doubt, just look at how the official media view the situation in Ukraine and the situation in Gaza.
Subversion of the Israeli society - obvious too. The anti-government newspapers have their losses covered by EU sources. Same for the "human rights" NGOs. The same situation as in Russia or in Hungary.
Lawfare - ICC operates under EU diktat. France, Britain and Germany are all happy that ICC issued the arrest warrent for Bibi N. ICC's Chief Prosecutor is a British citizen who's chummy with Sir Keir Starmer. Same countries are also happy for arrest warrents for Putin.
If military aid has been blocked, which I am doubtful about, then that is in line with ICJ request to halt the killing because it is likely a genocide, so those countries would be obeying the highest court in the world and I applaud that.
There is no pro-Hamas spin in western MSM, just a whitewashing of Israeli killings (oh, pinpoint, surgical, etc.) and blocking of all aid for Gaza, i.e. enforcing famine.
EU at the highest levels are cheeck and jowl with Israel, so your assertions have no basis.
If you have followed the travails and tribulations of ICC and ICJ, you would see that none of the big players intervened against Israel, but for Israel. And the Chief Prosecutor at ICC is being witch hunted.
Shut up or put up, people are sick and tired of all this fake Israeli histerics and hasbara.
Whatever Andrei Gromyko did in May 1947 he did under the very specific instructions and micromanagement of Stalin.
Of course - Stalin, Gromyko and Molotov probably had a very detailed discussion of pros and cons. And based on that discussion, decided to outflank the Truman administration. In the end, it was deftly executed and produced a huge diplomatic success in form of a major embarassment for the Ango-American side. If you read the diplomatic dispatches to the US state department 1947-48, the Yanks were really hurt.
I do not believe that Orban will ever develop the taste for a confrontation with the Zionist Bloc in Budapest. He just does not have it in his personality. In addition he is already vulnerable from the Right and is constantly attacked by the Left. He is not going to place himself between a rock and hard place. In case his situation becomes hopeless he might elevate into power a true Hungarian nationalist as a last act of defiance. He simply does not have the personal force and authority to duplicate a Putin like move against the Zionists and the Oligarchic class.
I stopped reading at this: "Therein lies an important point to be made about the highly diverse group of people who rely on non-Mainstream Media sources for guidance and contribute to discussions within this community."
This is bull manure and it is beneath Mr. Korybko.
The issue with Mr. Orban is threefold:
UNGA has asked for legal advice and ICJ has provided it last year concerning Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands outside 1967 boundary, and the legal opinion was that Israel's is an illegal occupation, while the treatment of Palestinians is unlawful and equivalent to apartheid. Which B'Tselem as well as many Israeli officials have recognized as being the case.
ICJ has also found Israel as likly commiting genocide (Israel has admitted that wants to conduct "voluntary resetlement" aka ethnic cleansing) and asked to stop its actions. Israel has stopped deliveries of any food and medicine to Gaza BEFORE the visit in Hungary. The Bronze Age barbarians, aka the Greeks, have permitted the supply of food to Troj for 20 years before taking it. Israeli are beyond contempt and beyond that age of barbarism:
"“The IDF really is fulfilling the public’s wishes, which state: ‘There are no innocents in Gaza. We’ll show them,'” one reserve warrant officer explained. “People were incriminated for having bags in their hands. Guy showed up with a bag? Incriminated, terrorist. I believe they came to pick hubeiza, but… boom,” tank shells were fired at him from half a mile away.
In a separate interview with The Guardian, that same officer said that at first, his attitude toward invading Gaza was, “I went there because they killed us and now we’re going to kill them.”
“And I found out that we’re not only killing them—we’re killing them, we’re killing their wives, their children, their cats, their dogs,” they added. “We’re destroying their houses and pissing on their graves.”" https://scheerpost.com/2025/04/08/israeli-troops-blow-whistle-on-war-crimes-in-gaza-kill-zone/
ICC has put an arrest warrant on Bibi's head.
This is not Alt-Media stuff, but UNGA, ICJ, and ICC.
Yes, Orban and Hungary have been consistent on this, soo consistent. Hungary was one of the few countries that openly argue for the legality of Israel's actions with regards to occupation (Canada for instance also intervened, but just submitted a closed envelope and we don't have a record what BS they presented, but we do have HU crap).
HU also has lingerings for territory and a penchant for national purity. If they want to keep it (93.5% overall, and everywhere over 90%), they should stay within the present borders. But, it looks to me that Israel's approach has great appeal to Hungary...
And no, feeling "guilty" for the deportation of over 400,000 Jews from Hungary and occupied Northern Transylvania (Elie Wiesel and Miklos Nyiszli - I Was Doctor Mengele's Assistant (Grey Zone movie) where fromm occupied Romanian territory) is not going to cut it, not a single bit. One doesn't fix a wrong with another wrong.
Nothing Mr. Orban is doing is "Christian" (the two most important tennets of Jesus Christ were: Love thy Lord and Love thy Neighbour). Unless thy neighour is Hungarian... and thy lord is St. Paul's lord, not Jesus and James' lord...
But why is otherwise an intelligent, courageous and upright man — a Zionist?
Is he blackmailed?
Nationalists appreciate the struggles of other nationalists.
But Israel has nothing to offer Hungary or Russia except the Promised Dumping Ground for all of their Jews or fake-Jews.
Courting Miliekowsky and the genocidal Zionists will always be a black mark in Orban's, Putin's and every American President's history.
Jews have been a dominating force in Europe for a long time. Some survived WW2, some came back to Europe. I guess they are a force to reckon with inside Hungary as well. More possibly, when people figure out who the real boss is behind the US behemoth, they talk to the real master. That is only natural. Eventually there will be a dichotomy, those who choose to put down the evil masters with high collateral costs and those who choose the easy path to side with the behemoth. When neutrality is not allowed, we will have WW3.
Jews were never a dominating force. For example, Jews were expelled in Spain in 1492 and even now, Jewish numbers in Spain are minuscule. And where did it get Spain in the 17th century and beyond?
There is a difference between being a dominating force and being a useful tool. Hence, Oliver Cromwell decided to readmit Jews to Britain in 1653. He did it because he found it difficult to dominate the sea lanes vs the Dutch without access to international finance. Of course he also had theological reasons to do it, but that is how politics often are.
You need to read Queen Isabella's perfectly expressed opinions about why she sent the Jews packing toward Istanbul in 1492...
It's not that she had perfectly expressed opinions. Everyone has opinions. I do, you do, name someone who doesn't. It's that by mid 16th century, Spanish power went into collapse versus British and Dutch. It never really recovered. In the 1920s the Spanish nationalist conservative Miguel Primo de Rivera introduced the law of return which was then upheld as law of the land by Generalissimo Franco.
Interestingly Queen Isabella had the very same issues with the local Jews as the Hungarians while they were finishing off the 150 year long Ottoman occupation of their nation. The international army of the Holly League gathered a very large army for the siege of Buda (today Budapest) and took the city after a series of long and bloody battles. (This was their second attempt to take Buda.) When they entered the city the Hungarians found to their greatest horror that their local Jewish population fought against them with the Ottomans. After proper punishment they sold off the survivors into slavery and effectively reduced their numbers in the country for the next century. Basically, this was a mirror image of the 1492 Spanish act.
I think what is more likely, is that Israel has kompromat on Orban. The link to Hungary regarding the exploding pager’s for example. Orban is a racist and no doubt a genuine antisemite to.
I don't think so. He's been very pro-Israeli for a while, this is just the latest and most dramatic manifestation. Orban appears to be a very passionate philo-Semite too.
I do not believe he really likes them as nobody, not even their mamma likes them. He trained himself to be a perfect chameleon as this was the price to build a major party in Budapest. FIDESZ his party kept struggling around the 5% vote level for some years and if he said just one bad word about his ultimate supervisors they would have dissolved his party easily.
So Orban has some good qualities. Fine.
I am trained to judge politicians from their acts ONLY. Whatever they say I simply memorize in a different compartment and never take seriously. Orban's actions in the last year turned dramatically against the EU/NATO gang and he was sticking to his program. Giorgia Meloni also with strong populist tendencies was a conformist pussycat compared to Orban.
Being against Soros doesn't an Antisemite make. Everyone right of center in Israel is against Soros.
Churchill wrote an article in 1920 about the soul of the Jewish people being torn between Bolshevism and Zionism. My take is that right wing western leaders know it’s impossible to reduce their influence as they are behind all the banks, do they have allies with the Zionists in order to defeat the Bolshevists (now social Marxists) who are worse. This confuses their voters who may dislike both groups’ goals. However it’s impossible to constrain Zionism until Bolshevism is defeated (again, it resurrects itself so often). Bolshevist imported millions of Muslims to Europe so now that Zionists see that as a bad thing, it’s a useful wedge. But Zionists have also been harmful to western interests (war spending, influence operations, possibly JFK’s demise, etc.) Those may be tackled through declassification, but Bolshevism has the worse propaganda and could destroy the west via replacement of the native population. Orban isn’t stupid, and he wants to tackle immigration and social issues at home before worrying about Gazans. It’s a matter of survival first before charity. Moreover, Gazans represent the people who are migrating to Europe and are immediately threatening the survival of its culture along with the Bolshevists, so…
Much as I heartfully detest Israel, much of alt media lives in a fantasy world.
I don't take John Meiersheimer, Col Wilkerson, Col McGregor and other retired American serving in the military or foreign affairs as Alt-Media...
I'd say that they are pretty fringe, considering the mainstream consensus.
The polls differ from the mainstream "manufactured consensus". It is topsy turvy. The "silent majority" has been declared fringe in sooo many aspects: it is fringe to want peace, it is fringe to want social democracy, it is fringe to be against identity policies, it is fringe to be anti-Zionist/Genocide/Etnic cleansing/Apartheid...
I don't think the views of theses people are the silent majority at all.
What is your population, N?
I am not sure what your point is.
MY OLDEST FRIEND is HUNGARIAN ( for 60 years ).. I HAVE ALSO BEEN IN HUNGARY SEVERAL TIMES : SO I HAVE SOME AFFILIATION WITH HUNGARY:
MY FRIEND DOES NOT LIKE VICTOR ORBAN ; WHOM HE CONSIDERS THROUGH AND THROUGH KORRUPT . AND ON THIS I TRUST MY FRIEND . Besides everyone can wittness that Netanyahoo is a BLOODY KILLER OF INNOCENTS who is CO RESPONSIBLE for MILLIONS of KILLED .. all taken in account ... He is also a REPRESENTATIVE of MEGALOMANIAC JEWS who have caused enourmous Harm to Mankind.... for as long as History can tell . He is UNdefenceable and anyone who does reveals himself as a SCHYSTER ( to use a Jiddish expression )
MY OLDEST FRIEND is HUNGARIAN ( for 60 years ).. I HAVE ALSO BEEN IN HUNGARY SEVERAL TIMES : SO I HAVE SOME AFFILIATION WITH HUNGARY:
MY FRIEND DOES NOT LIKE VICTOR ORBAN ; WHOM HE CONSIDERS THROUGH AND THROUGH KORRUPT . AND ON THIS I TRUST MY FRIEND . Besides everyone can wittness that Netanyahoo is a BLOODY KILLER OF INNOCENTS who is CO RESPONSIBLE for MILLIONS of KILLED .. all taken in account ... He is also a REPRESENTATIVE of MEGALOMANIAC JEWS who have caused enourmous Harm to Mankind.... for as long as History can tell . He is UNdefenceable and anyone who does reveals himself as a SCHYSTER ( to use a Jiddish expression )
Why capital letters? Idiotic and offensive !!
"“canceling” Orban for being a Zionist would also discredit his pragmatic policies towards Russia"
Personally, I have no idea, but some say that gentile Zionism is a form of antisemitism. They simply want Jews out of their countries; Palestine being, to them, as good as any other far-away place (Madagascar?). If so, wouldn't it also be a 'pragmatic policy'?
Hungary has Europe's third-largest Jewish community, Holocaust denial is banned, and Orban's overall friendliness towards Jews shows that he doesn't want them to leave.
I don't know where you got the idea after what he just did that he might want them to voluntarily migrate elsewhere. There's no credible indication that he has such an intent.
Okay, you can think that's the solution, but it's not an accurate reflection of the political situation and therefore doesn't help understand the dynamics nor predict future policy.
Has "Korybko" not contributed in earlier writing I've seen to such scurrilous attitudes? Scare quotes, justly dropped, but has there been repentance?
Don't insult me on my page or you'll be blocked. You're delusional if you expect Orban or whoever else to do what you demanded. In fact, Orban and Trump just did the exact opposite, which shows that you're just an angry activist who's divorced from reality and therefore can't predict leaders' policies on this issue.
"Touchy"? No, I just have more self-respect than those who you've previously attacked online as I'm certain you've done many times. My educational credentials put yours to shame, but they're irrelevant in this context.
You're the fool ignoring reality by keeping your hopes up that Trump and Orban will do what you demand. I can't imagine what runs through your mind to make you still believe that this might happen after what both just did. Anyhow, you're blocked for personally insulting me.
To everyone else, I actually encourage the sharing of respectfully expressed contrarian views, but I don't accept personal attacks and name-calling. Sometimes I'm generous and give someone a second chance like I did this troll but, as is almost always the case, they exploit it to keep abusing me.