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Besides what you discussed, two things this Polish general said stood out to me. First he said the war was a confrontation and a war for resources.

That's certainly true. The war was deliberately orchestrated as a confrontation between Russia and the entire US Empire, with its goal to weaken Russia so that the oligarchs who run the Empire can exploit all those Russian oil and mineral deposits. In that sense, the US Empire has already lost, as Russia will not collapse.

Second, he said the war is a civilizational struggle between the West and Russia, and a Russian victory will mean the end of NATO. Goebbels used this civilizational struggle meme, though he explicitly said the racialist part out loud--that Russia was this mongrelized Asiatic culture hellbent on destroying Western Civilization.

It was garbage then, it's garbage now, but it sure does sound like present-day Ukrainian propaganda and the vitriol I see spewed at Russia from Poles and Balts in this and other forums. History rhymes yet again.

As for the dissolution of NATO, well, that's inevitable now. Billions for swastika-bedecked Ukrainians but not even millions for Hawaiians? That's not going to fly with the American people.

Expect to see panicked warnings of isolationism from American MIC propagandists in the coming months, as more and more Americans start thinking George Washington had a point about entangling alliances after all.

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Hopefully not too indulgent or simply too much information, but a little personal disclosure here: once upon a time, I did a lot of Yoga; I read some articles on tricycle.org (The Buddhist Review) and subscribed to the 'Daily Dharma' thought for the day. I still get the daily thought and am often surprised how relevant it seems to magically, mystically be. Today's was, "Since uncertainty prevails, why can’t we come to terms with it? ... Uncertainty is freedom.".

"...it’s actually “not an easy task”, “very difficult”, and “if the successes were greater, then we would be talking about a completely different situation.”"

Since uncertainty prevails, why can’t we come to terms with it? ... Uncertainty is freedom.

"...a strategic failure for Russia”"

"Russia is on track for between 2.5% and 3% growth in 2023 which is higher than the USA, UK and every EU country except the Czech Republic. The Eurozone is expected to grow by less than 1%. Meanwhile German industry collapses." (Rodney Atkinson)

"Biden’s claim that Russia is more isolated from the world than it has ever been seems to be increasingly questionable. From oil sales to imports to countries staying out of sanctions and growing friendships, Russia may not be as isolated as Biden boasts." (Ted Snider)

('globalresearch.ca' and 'antiwar.com' respectively)

"...then rebuild [the] Ukraine."

No, YOU can't but Russia can and will. All you'll have to do is pay (as much as you're told to) for it. The Chinese will help you work out how much you need to pay for the war of aggression you helped to inspire, initiated, encouraged and supported. Don't worry: I'm sure they'll be very fair and kind to you; you won't pay any more than necessary.

"...we have to create conditions for Ukrainians to return home."

But that IS exactly what you're doing. You didn't think any of them would want to stay there (to help you prop up a dying society) when they will be free to help the Russians rebuild their own country, did you? They've done it before (after 1945). They'll do it again. Now that the Chinese (and Indians and Saudis and BRICS, etc.) can help sort it all out, rather than aggravating it and creating some cock-handed mess like the Nuremberg tribunal, Bretton Woods, etc., there's every reason to have confidence in a much longer-term solution this time around; now that solutions can be found from a multipolar, rather than some unnamed ('rules-based' order) basis.

"...It is immoral from a human point of view.”"

You gotta be kidding: you want to talk about MORALITY? Wow! That's one brave (not to mention stupid) man! A military man, is he: a General... Isn't it something of a stereotype to suggest Polish intellect is somehow lacking? Or 'people with military backgrounds are wise to avoid questions of... Just about anything other than killing.; or, 'people in glass houses...' Or something like that? It was, after all, Brzezinski (Zbigniew — a Pole) who said this would all come to pass, as it has. That American general — 'Milly' or 'Miley' guy was good — knew what he was talking about. But wait, wasn't he ignored?

"“If we lose Ukraine,..."

I can't smell much 'if' about it any more.

"...it is a global matter.”"

Yes, and thank God for that. If it weren't it might ultimately end as badly as it started.

"...differences within NATO over the counteroffensive."

"Since uncertainty prevails, why can’t we come to terms with it? ... Uncertainty is freedom."

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