The Third Gulf War is radically reshaping the Gulf Kingdoms’ perceptions of American reliability and leading them to consider the need to negotiate a post-war regional security arrangement with Iran.
I remain certain that Gulf countries didn't allow USA and Israël to use their territory and aerial area for aggressing Iran by their own will. They didn't allow that during the 12 days war and Iran never attacked them.
To get this permission, Trump should expert huge pressure and I'm sure that Gulf states didn't accept willingly.
USA must have done promises of quick operation and no danger of retaliation.
Now it's a disaster.
Gulf leaders are not fools.
To be ruined to serve USA is already unbearable for them. But to be ruined to serve Israel.... against a muslim country....even if it Shia...
You don't know the Gulf states. They most certainly aided the U.S. of there own free will. They are corrupt family dictatorships who care only about their own survival. These fools all need to fall.
I see it similarly: the ruling elite is thin, the citizens are kept in line with large sums of money, and the work is done by modern-day slaves from Bangladesh and Indonesia. I think (and hope) that some of these unworthy monarchies will be swept away in the current war through coups in their own countries.
Russia is the country that can do the job. Russia is a Super Power. Russia borders Iran and has friendly relations with Iran. Given Irans geographic location,the 2 countries can best do the job. Once again russia steps up to the plate and hits a home run.
You're correct on both counts, but I personally believe that public opinion isn't a significant factor in the formulation of Israeli foreign policy as proven by its refusal to sanction Russia, while I also think that its influence over the GCC is now weaker than it's been in years.
Nope. Western Europe is going aggressively anti-Israel (see Spain, Ireland, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden etc) and Ukraine will surely follow suit. Same as in the Baltics and Türkiye. So Israel will need to triangulate. Since China is strongly anti-Israel, the other big powers outside the US are Russia and India. With India relations are really good, with Russia Israel has been following a cautiously neutral policy despite Western pressure.
Oh, and non-Jewish Ukrainians that left Ukraine and are now in Israel are not that much liked either.
France? Anti-israelian official position? It's a joke? Government, médias, three quaters of politicien parties are rabidely pro-israelian for two reasons: submission and also racism against Arabs and islamiphobia growing.
Of course France has an anti-Israeli position. Started with the late phase of Charles De Gaulle, when he banned French military supplies to Israel BEFORE the 6 Days War. Then, in Yom Kippur war, France closed its airspace to US delivery of armor to Israel. And let's not forget France hosting all these anti-Israel terror organizations as well as hosting Khomeini in the 1970s and 1980s. Obviously, it has continued like that ever since. The last was banning Israeli participation at the military airfair this last year. *
Admittedly, France and Israel still have an exchange of ambassadors. But I wonder how long it will continue after Spain (and Ireland?) have recalled theirs.
What Islamophobia? France will be an Islamic country in 5-10 years.
*X post @MalkahFleisher from June 16, 2025, Israel Defense Industry Announcement: "Following the decision of the French government to limit our participation in the Paris Air Show: We have decided to move the exhibits to Tehran. You are invited to view our products there."
Um....have you not seen slavish french support of the Americans? Slavish participation in the Americans' wars, especially after the Americans balled them out of the Libyan fuckup?
Sincd the Gulfie tyrants' assets are in the West, and the West will seize, sanctio or confiscate those assets if the tyrants start acting independent, this will not happen.
They will not act independent, Russia will protect the interest of Israel and negotiate with Iran and gulf states for their benefit, and they will save US from this disaster, they will arrange a situation where gulf states will keep their power and money reasonably intact and allow them to continue collaborating with Israel and US. Russia is NOT allied to Iran
He didn’t mention it because the elephant in the room is that Russia like US is an ally of Israel and Is not allied to Iran, they will always ensure Israel objectives are achieved in the region, they did it multiple times. Israel uses US to create chaos and Russia to create stability according to their needs
Negotiate with the U.S.? Surely you jest. There is no negotiating with these lunatics. Putin should know that as well as anyone. Iran must continue on. They've been preparing for this for many years and it's now or never. The U.S. and Israel will never stop. Ever. Instead, they must be stopped. There is no alternative. Iran cannot be endlessly victimized.
Author: "the US wouldn’t have to defend partners that have proven themselves to be freeloaders"
They buy US weapons at higher prices paid for with oil extracted from their soil and those weapons they bought are now used to defend both the US and Israel. That's a double whammy. Calling them freeloaders...? Those countries are US colonies!
Iran will never be allowed to join a Saudi-Pakistani alliance. Certainly not with the IRGC nor under a baby shah or some other Western sock puppet.
"The three grand imperatives of (US) imperial geo-strategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together."
"Collusion" between an independent Iran + KSA + Pakistan will never ever be allowed by the US empire. Never.
Russia literally gifted Syria to Israel a couple months ago and now they are gifting Cuba to Trump. Putin accepts the jewish elites to use Ukraine to go to war with Russia and he didn’t even denounce them, not one word connecting Israel and Jewish zionism to the war. Putin is a product of these elites, he works for them and they could kill him if they wanted. He is now attempting to make peace to occupy the gulf countries and control it militarily until Israel is recovered and capable of assuming the imperialist role that US does today, exactly like they did in Syria
"Partners that have proven themselves to be freeloaders"? Huh?
Iran joining the Saudi-Pak alliance? Is there any reasonable evidence that there's such significant trust between the two and Iran for such an alliance to be achievable in the first place, and hold up in the second?
The US bases leaving the West Asia region (perhaps except Turkey) is a likely outcome, not for anybody's goodwill but because the war is showing they're not sustainable. Some would argue it's a major defeat for Israel defensive position, more than for the US itself.
Maybe an alternative outcome will simply be more Gulf states falling under Pakistan defensive umbrella - even without Iran.
Get serious! The US is not going to leave the Gulf. That would put Israel at risk. And we are not going to give Russia any kind of leading role and allows it to gain rehabilitation points. Regardless of Trump's bromance with Putin, the proper goal of the USA long-term should be to help Ukraine win and then free the Russia people form living under Putin and other future dictators. This might well entail breaking the country up into smaller, independent states.
Lindsey Graham is correct. The Gulf State slike SA need to get off their asses and participate in taking Iran down, once and for all.
I'm afraid for your sake that things are moving in a different direction. The US will have to leave the Gulf because they are running out of power. Military bases will be impossible to maintain, and some Gulf monarchies will fall.
Israel will face a choice: either continue its aggression around its borders and thereby completely collapse as a state, or come to terms with its neighbors and recognize the UN-defined borders for Israel and the rights of its neighbors. Russia doesn't need to be liberated from Putin. 80% of Russians support their president. Putin has put Russia back on the path to becoming a great power. Clearly, a partition of Russia is entirely in the interest of the capitalists who want to seize Russian natural resources – but Russia will not allow this.
Final points: Despite his seemingly "gentle" lifestyle, Lindsey Graham is a staunch warmonger. It is to be hoped for everyone's sake that he will be proven wrong. And South Africa is already taking action, pursuing its international legal challenge against Israel. South Africa is receiving increasing support from around the world.
All russian interference in the middle east is to ensure Israel objectives will be achieved. Israel uses US to create chaos and Russia to create stability in accord to their needs
Russia treats Israel fairly, given the large number of former Jewish Russians living there. However, Russia will never allow itself to be used by Israel—at least not by the current, fascist government. Russia is perfectly capable of distinguishing between Jews and Zionists.
Russia literally gifted Syria to Israel a couple months ago and now they are gifting Cuba to Trump. Putin accepts the jewish elites to use Ukraine to go to war with Russia and he didn’t even denounce them, not one word connecting Israel and Jewish zionism to the war. Putin is a product of these elites, he works for them and they could kill him if they wanted. He is now attempting to make peace to occupy the gulf countries and control it militarily until Israel is recovered and capable of assuming the imperialist role that US does today, exactly like they did in Syria
I remain certain that Gulf countries didn't allow USA and Israël to use their territory and aerial area for aggressing Iran by their own will. They didn't allow that during the 12 days war and Iran never attacked them.
To get this permission, Trump should expert huge pressure and I'm sure that Gulf states didn't accept willingly.
USA must have done promises of quick operation and no danger of retaliation.
Now it's a disaster.
Gulf leaders are not fools.
To be ruined to serve USA is already unbearable for them. But to be ruined to serve Israel.... against a muslim country....even if it Shia...
Consequences risk to be absolutely terrible.
You don't know the Gulf states. They most certainly aided the U.S. of there own free will. They are corrupt family dictatorships who care only about their own survival. These fools all need to fall.
I see it similarly: the ruling elite is thin, the citizens are kept in line with large sums of money, and the work is done by modern-day slaves from Bangladesh and Indonesia. I think (and hope) that some of these unworthy monarchies will be swept away in the current war through coups in their own countries.
Russia is the country that can do the job. Russia is a Super Power. Russia borders Iran and has friendly relations with Iran. Given Irans geographic location,the 2 countries can best do the job. Once again russia steps up to the plate and hits a home run.
From what I read most Israelis support Ukraine. I dont think this outcome would please Miliekowski.
You're correct on both counts, but I personally believe that public opinion isn't a significant factor in the formulation of Israeli foreign policy as proven by its refusal to sanction Russia, while I also think that its influence over the GCC is now weaker than it's been in years.
Nope. Western Europe is going aggressively anti-Israel (see Spain, Ireland, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden etc) and Ukraine will surely follow suit. Same as in the Baltics and Türkiye. So Israel will need to triangulate. Since China is strongly anti-Israel, the other big powers outside the US are Russia and India. With India relations are really good, with Russia Israel has been following a cautiously neutral policy despite Western pressure.
Oh, and non-Jewish Ukrainians that left Ukraine and are now in Israel are not that much liked either.
France? Anti-israelian official position? It's a joke? Government, médias, three quaters of politicien parties are rabidely pro-israelian for two reasons: submission and also racism against Arabs and islamiphobia growing.
They don't give a shit of public opinion.
Of course France has an anti-Israeli position. Started with the late phase of Charles De Gaulle, when he banned French military supplies to Israel BEFORE the 6 Days War. Then, in Yom Kippur war, France closed its airspace to US delivery of armor to Israel. And let's not forget France hosting all these anti-Israel terror organizations as well as hosting Khomeini in the 1970s and 1980s. Obviously, it has continued like that ever since. The last was banning Israeli participation at the military airfair this last year. *
Admittedly, France and Israel still have an exchange of ambassadors. But I wonder how long it will continue after Spain (and Ireland?) have recalled theirs.
What Islamophobia? France will be an Islamic country in 5-10 years.
*X post @MalkahFleisher from June 16, 2025, Israel Defense Industry Announcement: "Following the decision of the French government to limit our participation in the Paris Air Show: We have decided to move the exhibits to Tehran. You are invited to view our products there."
That you're going back to DeGaulle, as if nothing has happened in France since then, shows the weakness of your argument.
Anyway, we've been hearing about the imminent islamification of France for over 20 years now. Yet it never happens.
De Gaulle changed policy in the aftermath of abandoning Franco-Algerians and nothing has changed since.
You are ignorant and stupid. Sorry.
Um....have you not seen slavish french support of the Americans? Slavish participation in the Americans' wars, especially after the Americans balled them out of the Libyan fuckup?
Sincd the Gulfie tyrants' assets are in the West, and the West will seize, sanctio or confiscate those assets if the tyrants start acting independent, this will not happen.
They will not act independent, Russia will protect the interest of Israel and negotiate with Iran and gulf states for their benefit, and they will save US from this disaster, they will arrange a situation where gulf states will keep their power and money reasonably intact and allow them to continue collaborating with Israel and US. Russia is NOT allied to Iran
Yes - but what about the Israel?
He didn’t mention it because the elephant in the room is that Russia like US is an ally of Israel and Is not allied to Iran, they will always ensure Israel objectives are achieved in the region, they did it multiple times. Israel uses US to create chaos and Russia to create stability according to their needs
OMG, gotta hope and pray Russia can pull this off.
Do you know how many dozens of thousands of billions dollars the Gulf monarchies own in USA?
It's a very efficient hostage.
Negotiate with the U.S.? Surely you jest. There is no negotiating with these lunatics. Putin should know that as well as anyone. Iran must continue on. They've been preparing for this for many years and it's now or never. The U.S. and Israel will never stop. Ever. Instead, they must be stopped. There is no alternative. Iran cannot be endlessly victimized.
Author: "the US wouldn’t have to defend partners that have proven themselves to be freeloaders"
They buy US weapons at higher prices paid for with oil extracted from their soil and those weapons they bought are now used to defend both the US and Israel. That's a double whammy. Calling them freeloaders...? Those countries are US colonies!
Iran will never be allowed to join a Saudi-Pakistani alliance. Certainly not with the IRGC nor under a baby shah or some other Western sock puppet.
"The three grand imperatives of (US) imperial geo-strategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together."
"Collusion" between an independent Iran + KSA + Pakistan will never ever be allowed by the US empire. Never.
Russia literally gifted Syria to Israel a couple months ago and now they are gifting Cuba to Trump. Putin accepts the jewish elites to use Ukraine to go to war with Russia and he didn’t even denounce them, not one word connecting Israel and Jewish zionism to the war. Putin is a product of these elites, he works for them and they could kill him if they wanted. He is now attempting to make peace to occupy the gulf countries and control it militarily until Israel is recovered and capable of assuming the imperialist role that US does today, exactly like they did in Syria
"Partners that have proven themselves to be freeloaders"? Huh?
Iran joining the Saudi-Pak alliance? Is there any reasonable evidence that there's such significant trust between the two and Iran for such an alliance to be achievable in the first place, and hold up in the second?
What are you talking about Andrew? ...
Somewhat like how nobody asked Romania in 1941 if they wanted to go along for the ride.
Security arrangements don't work at the UNSC level, and they won't work in other conferences/councils either if these include hostile members.
The US bases leaving the West Asia region (perhaps except Turkey) is a likely outcome, not for anybody's goodwill but because the war is showing they're not sustainable. Some would argue it's a major defeat for Israel defensive position, more than for the US itself.
Maybe an alternative outcome will simply be more Gulf states falling under Pakistan defensive umbrella - even without Iran.
Get serious! The US is not going to leave the Gulf. That would put Israel at risk. And we are not going to give Russia any kind of leading role and allows it to gain rehabilitation points. Regardless of Trump's bromance with Putin, the proper goal of the USA long-term should be to help Ukraine win and then free the Russia people form living under Putin and other future dictators. This might well entail breaking the country up into smaller, independent states.
Lindsey Graham is correct. The Gulf State slike SA need to get off their asses and participate in taking Iran down, once and for all.
I'm afraid for your sake that things are moving in a different direction. The US will have to leave the Gulf because they are running out of power. Military bases will be impossible to maintain, and some Gulf monarchies will fall.
Israel will face a choice: either continue its aggression around its borders and thereby completely collapse as a state, or come to terms with its neighbors and recognize the UN-defined borders for Israel and the rights of its neighbors. Russia doesn't need to be liberated from Putin. 80% of Russians support their president. Putin has put Russia back on the path to becoming a great power. Clearly, a partition of Russia is entirely in the interest of the capitalists who want to seize Russian natural resources – but Russia will not allow this.
Final points: Despite his seemingly "gentle" lifestyle, Lindsey Graham is a staunch warmonger. It is to be hoped for everyone's sake that he will be proven wrong. And South Africa is already taking action, pursuing its international legal challenge against Israel. South Africa is receiving increasing support from around the world.
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How does Israel fit into this considering some of these nations don’t recognise its right to exist?
It is because Israel does not accept other country has the right to exist but Israel.
I don't understand your question. Can you be a little bit more accurate please?
All russian interference in the middle east is to ensure Israel objectives will be achieved. Israel uses US to create chaos and Russia to create stability in accord to their needs
Russia treats Israel fairly, given the large number of former Jewish Russians living there. However, Russia will never allow itself to be used by Israel—at least not by the current, fascist government. Russia is perfectly capable of distinguishing between Jews and Zionists.
Russia literally gifted Syria to Israel a couple months ago and now they are gifting Cuba to Trump. Putin accepts the jewish elites to use Ukraine to go to war with Russia and he didn’t even denounce them, not one word connecting Israel and Jewish zionism to the war. Putin is a product of these elites, he works for them and they could kill him if they wanted. He is now attempting to make peace to occupy the gulf countries and control it militarily until Israel is recovered and capable of assuming the imperialist role that US does today, exactly like they did in Syria