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Darras's avatar

What is incredible is that absolutely nobody is speaking about that in France. Nobody.

What is appalling too is that if you are right, Russia is reduced to beg for a disastrous cease fire which would be a terrible defeat.

Darras's avatar

Perhaps this surprising silence of french medias will allow the french government, if Russia ,one day, retaliate with atomic missiles, to shout and cry about the mean "treacherous and unjustified Russian barbarian nuclear attack".

It's what they do for decades: " forgetting some facts".

Darras's avatar

And it's the same in each western media ...

If I was paranoid, I would believe that every western médias obey to the same voice. But I'm not paranoid and I know that our medias are free, objective and honest.

Walter DuBlanica's avatar

The Brits and Frence once had large empires. They have expired and today both countries are of littler valus. The Brits have a country slightly bigger then New York State. Tbe French had a big invasion of Russia and were DEFEATED. Ruaaia is an empire 6,000 miles long with vast oil,gas and mineral resources. The Brits and French feel and are inferior to the Russians. Hence their crazy behavior.

Sanjay Mehta's avatar

Can't speak for France but I know that you're right about Britain. They have a massive chip on their shoulder for losing their empire, in particular India.

They ignore (or are genuinely unaware of) their genocide by famine from Ireland to India, and keep harping about the same tropes, the mildest being the railways which they built to move troops around and steal resources.

Feral Finster's avatar

This has long been obvious, and was brought about by Russian dithering and indecision.

What does Russia propose to do about it?

Darras's avatar

4 years ago , Poutine said about Russia" we have our back against the wall".

Seemingly, during 4 years, they learned to enter into walls.

Feral Finster's avatar

At every stage, Russia has underestimated western ruthlessness.

rakyat kecil's avatar

G'day FF, is it underestimated or planned prevarication as a solid victory is contrary to the one the Kremlin(oligarchs) want/need. They want business as usual or as it was to resume/expand and if the Evil empire is defeated in proxy then the oligarchs desired result is lost.

This whole situation is an interoligarchic skirmish with outside support I feel.

Feral Finster's avatar

My straight SWAG is that the Russian leadership do not want to admit the truth to themselves, that they will always be hated and never be allowed to join The Club, thatbgelato in Tuscany always tantalizingly out of reach.

rakyat kecil's avatar

I certainly agree but that only superficially answers the absolute acquiescence or pragmatic fear of pushing the envelope to actually achieve some conclusion before something possibly breaks or fails in the RF.

VVP is absolutely a Western liberal facing leader so your SWAG fits the present situation, but will this go on forever????? Will he stay till something is resolved if at all or will it be a Korean uneasy future on RFs border forever an abscess.

Feral Finster's avatar

VVP will die eventually. At that point, it's anyone's guess.

Zach's avatar
Feb 26Edited

This is becoming a nuclear game of "pass the hot potato".

This reminds me that we don't hear a lot about the oligarchs who own and profit from much of Ukraine. Are they onboard with their assets becoming radioactive? Have they found a way to profit from nuclear exchange?

Would be interesting to hear more about the oligarchs/crime lords and how they fit into the subterranean plumbing of this whole war and conflict....because if the plumbing isn't fixed, any peace deal is going to fester and erupt eventually.

(I know some will misunderstand what I'm saying, which isn't ignoring the political/geopolitical/intelligence services involvement -- it's just that somewhere there's a "hardware" layer, actual people who own/control actual assets/shells, people that know people who makes decisions, and are able to influence people in nominal power (i.e. the Rada) to do as instructed. Take away that layer of (probably, by now, international) scum and I don't think it's possible for things to be this screwed up.)

rakyat kecil's avatar

Read Events in Ukraine substack Zach for answers to all the questions you posed, it would have to have the deepest dive into the machinations of Ukraine/USSR and the present internal situation of any I know. But not free to read, the archive of past articles is phenomenal.

Daniel Gladstein's avatar

The timing of this is a bit odd, given its coincidence with the Epstein files and Trump’s plan to attack Iran. It fits into a pattern: every time Trump and Co. try to achieve something, the same actors try to foil them: turning Aliyev against Putin, foiling Israel in Syria, using a Saudi–Qatari–Iranian détente to form the ‘Islamic NATO’, and now relieving pressure on Iran by fomenting WWIII in Europe. The ‘winners’, if any, seem to be Islamist ones; and the trend is not new. I suspect that ‘EU’ policy is really Islamist policy.

Powers like Iran, Qatar, and Turkey—fronting for supranational Islamist bodies—are hiding behind a ‘liberal-globalist’ (and sometimes ‘alt-right’) façade to control the West, using demographics to their benefit. Energy and Western indebtedness also give these groups leverage. They have also used their agents, such as Witkoff and Barrack, to stymie or reverse Trump policy on Gaza, Syria, Pakistan, and Iran, sidelining Rubio and Co. Every time the ‘Red–Green’ axis gets a reprieve, Russia’s situation worsens.

By now, I think there is enough circumstantial evidence to posit that some Islamist players, like Muslim Brotherhood (MB) client Qatar, have enough clout to force the ‘infidel’ powers into MAD, in accord with ideological and socioeconomic aims. And ‘liberal-globalist’ policy has proven time and again to be a front for Arab–Islamist imperialism, with its underlying ethnocentrism and religious chauvinism (for some reason today’s [pseudo?-]‘left’ targets anyone but ‘Islam’ and/or Islamism). Their control of the petrodollar gives them the means to dictate to the West as well as to influence the Rest.

barnabus's avatar

Yep. Something like that. Even though, real Muslims are not that good in military terms against well-governed Europeans. Since Charles Martell. Otherwise, Russians wouldn't have been winning from the 15th-20th century against the Tatars and Turks. Or Israeli Jews vs the Arabs. Not that Western Europeans are currently well governed...

rakyat kecil's avatar

G'day Daniel, what is truly Islamic about Erdogan? Also the so called Islamic NATO is just autocratic power base building I believe and has nothing to do with Islamic fiqh. al Saud and Erdogans Ijtihad are not compatible if he has any and no Ijma is possible I believe it is just a geopolitical power bloc and nothing to do with Islam except the balance of the population. Are the balance of the countries population actually pious practising Muslims I wonder?

Could we call the West a Christian NATO??? Just my thoughts as this idea of an Islamic NATO keeps coming up recently.

Daniel Gladstein's avatar

You allude to the ‘No True Scotsman™’ fallacy, which applies to *all* mankind. At any rate, one cannot demarcate religion from other factors, given its holism. Islam, like other faiths, is integrative. Moreover, motives and mindsets matter. Erdoğan’s biography suggests he truly believes in Islam(ism), or fancies himself a Muslim, whether or not he fully adheres to a classical school of thought or jurisprudence. That Erdoğan *thinks* he is a Muslim and acts accordingly is all that matters. Ditto for the Saudi clan etc.

As a bloc Muslims, however loosely, *do* wield clout in line with their ethnicity, race, and/or faith. This is notably true of Islamist actors, such as (Wahhabi–)Salafi or Shia militants. Also, Muslims have historically built ‘alliances’ with outsiders as much as Europeans, on a tactical basis. Yet their ethnocentric religiosity, like that of Christendom, has never faded. For the record, today’s ‘secular’ West largely derives its postmodernism from Christian kernels, albeit distorted and taken out of context. Paul is the source.

Sometimes the record suggests that men, quite simply, truly believe in the things they say and do.

rakyat kecil's avatar

Do the countries involved; Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc refer to themselves as an Islamic NATO I wonder? I feel they are being referred to as an Islamic NATO by others.

Erdogans time in national power has not been overtly Islamist or Islamic but pro EU conservative democrat who got rid of the protection of prime minister from the Turkish system hence less democratic, I note you refer to Islam as integrative which was true previously but Salafis/Takfiri/Wahhabis I don't think fits that description as particularly takfiris consider any muslim with different beliefs to theirs to be committing Riddah. al Saud are using their great wealth to change the landscape of Islam worlwide to their particular liking. The two largest Sunni Islamic organisations in the world by membership; Nadhlatul Ulama and Muhamadiyah do not consider Shia, Ahmadis to be Muslims and today are not well disposed to Sufism either.

Erdogans younger life certainly was oriented around Islam but it dissipated after 2000 by outward actions it seems to me anyway. Erdogan has shown himself to be a chameleon so what he says is not what he believes I think but your last statements suggests the opposition, one will never know particularly about Erdogan from his past history.

Regis Tremblay's avatar

It isn't just the UK that is desperate, but the USA as well. They both are behind this war against Russia and for the future order of the world. They are colonialists to the core with the same evil DNA. I have said this repeatedly since I made Thirty Seconds to Midnight in 2017: "will those neocons in Washington ( today I would use another term), recognizing they have lost this epic battle for control of the planet, take the whole world down with them in a nuclear Armageddon?" I knew it then, and it is playing out in full view. In that same film, Dr. Helen Caldicott concluded at the end of the film with this, "Are we an evolutionary species, designed in an evolutionary sense not to survive?" I wonder!

Honeybee's avatar

The Ukraine War is a pretend war. Russia could have taken Kiev and ended the skirmish within six months. The war is orchestrated by those far above EU leadership, and the leaders dance their Pinocchio steps in tune to those running the show. The only reason the Israeli War against Gaza continued so long is because they wanted to clear the land for the "Dubai-II-Coming-Soon-to-You" complex along the Gazan shoreline.

Nuclear from French and Brits? Com' on. Get serious. The EU has damaged its economic basis with fallacious policies like "Green Energy" and compromised their countries with voluntary foreign invasions. The very fact that they're trying to implement censorship worldwide is testament to their LACK of strength. They have no money. They essentially have no industry. They have no nuclear weapons...or the number is so insignificant as unworthy of discussion.

They're down for the count. The leaders huff and puff like they're some grandiose rulers from a long-ago TV sitcom era, but they're essentially done. They still can't figure out that massive immigration from countries whose religious practices and morals exist because of top-down censorship and strength means the end of their civilization. Unfettered immigration bespeaks the end of their civilization because these imported benighted souls will institute the very same social system in their EU countries.

John Day MD's avatar

Russia has to be prepared for all of, or most of NATO to attack. Ukraine was always stage-1.

Mediocrates's avatar

I imagine that the co-ordinates of both London and Paris have already been programmed into Russia's missile control system as a hedge against either UK of French providing a nuclear device to Ukraine. Russia's response to a pre-emptive nuclear strike by Ukraine will be instant, irreversible and devastating.

Kouros's avatar

The US is not agreement capable anyways, and there is a deep pool of evidence of that, which Mr Korybko seldom if ever seems to recognize.

Love never fails's avatar

Nachdem beide Protagonisten für diese Idee untergehende Kolonialisten sind, insbesondere die Briten, gehe ich davon aus, dass diese Idee ernsthaft ist und zum Einsatz kommen könnte.

Es ist eine hybride Idee.

Einerseits die Bereitschaft zum Einsatz.

Andererseits die nächste Nervenprobe, um einen vernichtenden konventionellen Angriff Russlands auf die Ukrainer zu provozieren, um endlich etwas Substanz in die "Russland greift Europa an"-Lüge zu bekommen. Nach dem Motto: Wir haben es euch ja gesagt.

Die Ukraine wird auf jeden Fall vom Westen geopfert. Der Ukraine auch nur eine Atombombe zu geben ist der Beweis, was Europa nicht nur mit Russland, sondern vor allem der Ukraine vorhat.

"Wir, der Westen siegen, oder nichts wird erobert, lieber völlige Coventrysierung."

Hüben wie drüben scheinen Menschenverluste maximal egal zu sein. Bei uns im Westen nach allem Gesehenen schon mal ganz sicher. Die Russen sind bekannt dafür, noch kampfbereiter zu sein, wenn es drauf ankommt, wenn es um ihr Land geht.

Es ist natürlich eine schreckliche Vorstellung, dass Nazis in ihrem Hass so eine Bombe nicht als Zeichen in einem unbesiedelten Gebiet Russlands einschmuggeln/einfliegen und zünden würden, sondern mit maximaler Wirkung in einem Ballungsgebiet.

Der Westen ist vom Hass, also vom Teufel besessen. Die Epstein-Bilder über die Vernetzung der Rothschilds sagen das Gleiche. Bevor der Teufel untergeht, schlägt er nochmal wild um sich, um möglichst alles mitzureißen

Dieses biblisch überlieferte Muster ist äußerst wahrscheinlich.

Der Hegemon wird alles versuchen, damit der Gegner nicht gewinnt.

Und wenn die ganze Erde daran zugrunde geht.

Denn die EUSA sind das Zentrum des Teufels.

Wer daran zweifelt, hat wohl die letzten 100 Jahre vergessen, deren Leid zu fast 100% auf die Kappe des westlichen Hegemons gehen.

Weltweit.

David Sanders's avatar

Nothing but human demons for Russia to deal with

Pramod's avatar

France has also transferred components of real nuclear bombs (not just the "dirty" radiation-spilling dummies) into German hands, so there is no more any credibility in its words and no limit to the extent of madness its unpopular leaders embodied by Emmanuel Sarkozy can go to. The Sarkozy regime suffers from a grave anti-people bias and has made life hell for commoners in France. Perhaps the Sarkozy regime is calculating that an EU misadventure in Belarus will invite nuclear reprisals from Russia on German mainland, ergo why it is gleefully though discreetly advertising the ongoing nuclearisation of Germany so as to goad Russia into strikes on the German mainland. The mortal jealousy towards one another which European elite harbour as an inheritance from their feudal past will turn out to be Europe's ultimate undoing.

In conjunction with Ireland and Portugal, France is plotting the establishment of a Roman Catholic dictatorship grounded in the medieval ages in the Indian coastal province of Goa, and has promised local tawny zombie buffoons that it will provide them not just NATO membership but also nuclear weapons to ward off any Indian attempt at reclamation.

Sanjay Mehta's avatar

Goa? What are you talking about?

John Day MD's avatar

The City of London and other Western European banks can maintain bad "Ukrainian" assets on their books while the war persists.

They will have to write them off, and will be found insolvent when that happens, should peace break-out.