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Darras's avatar

Poland should think twice of what is happening to Kurds before playing the big bully boy.

What's happening to Kurds in middle east could( will?) happen to Poles in Europe.

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

Totally different situations.

Darras's avatar

No shit Genius?

Typical good all Dummy. Always relevant. :))

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

Dont be a rude Frenchie. Its not a good look.

jtyjt's avatar

you can only attack french for being diverted ones, otherwise they are a big and necessary country.

Darras's avatar

We are a dead country. A suicided country.

jtyjt's avatar

no, you took some bad decisions when they were voluntary, and now they will produce more damage as you keep them. the good news is that the problem is easily identifiable and (relatively) easy solvable.

IronK's avatar

stop comparing with nonsense wave.

It's completely irrelevant.

What were you thinking?

Darras's avatar

Thank you Andrew for explaining us those middle east and east African stuffs which seem really, really, really complicated and actually at the very heart of the world strategy. Everybody is focused on where it's noisy and sparkling but it is here, in west Asia and East Africa that the fate of the world is at stake.

Thank you.

Andrew Korybko's avatar

You're welcome, Darras, and thank you for your very kind words! They're always deeply appreciated.

Simon Abbott's avatar

Should one assume that this 'tacit approval' of the US is also supported by the British? Or is there likely to be a difference of opinion on this? Clearly British influence and soft power would be important for this 'Islamic NATO' to succeed in its stated aims.

Certainly Perfidious Albion's long history of fomenting perpetual discord along Russia's huge southern border would seem to fit. But what of the risk to the Zionist Project?

Andrew Korybko's avatar

I don't believe that the British had the influence in Northeast Syria, particularly military, to shape the course of events either way.

Andrew Korybko's avatar

But as regards the "Islamic NATO", I do believe that it's the fulfilment of a long-held British goal, at least as regards its "pan-Turanist" dimension in Central Asia against Russia.

Daniel Gladstein's avatar

While the U.K. and its partners might exploit the nationalist (pan-Turkic) angle of the “Islamic NATO”, I suspect that it prefers Islamism—mainly the Muslim Brothers (MB) and their affiliates or proxies—as a tool. Nationalism is moribund among the most militant Muslims these days, with the Gaza (“AoR”/Iran–Israel) stalemate, “blood-borders” wars involving Islamism, and HTS takeover of Syria giving impetus to a renewed Islamist front. There are many nodes or foci that the “MB NATO” can exploit, such as Rakhine State (the Rohingya feud), the Indian subcontinent, and the Sahel, not to mention Xinjiang. Pakistan never ceased to support groups like ISIS-K, LeT, and Taliban factions—as in the pre-9/11 era—in seeking control over its borders; the split between Kabul and Islamabad will likely catalyze further action toward this end; Erdoğan’s Islamist ties will smooth Pakistan–Turkey cooperation in Central Asia.

Military and ideological factors elevate the appeal of Islamism to U.K. and allied policymakers, such as the ability of the MB and like-minded groups to mobilize more ranks, including fighters, than their rivals, as has been seen time and again since the Cold War; the large “mujahideen” legions in Afghanistan, the MENA, and elsewhere highlight the potential of an “Islamist International”. (Over half—possibly three-quarters—of the militiamen in the Syrian war were Islamist-aligned, for instance.) Radicalism is still very much alive and awaiting direction, logistics that the “MB NATO” can supply at once. The Saudi–Qatari/Pakistani tandem means that this network will not have to spread its forces, given that Iran and its AoR will likely stay on the sidelines or in a tactically friendly role, at least in some areas (i.e., Yemen, with the rumored MbS–Houthi deal vs. the UAE).

Feral Finster's avatar

TL;DR now that the Americans got what they wanted, they sold the Kurds down the river. Again.

How many times now is that?

Anyway, what is truly remarkable is that the Kurdish leadership keep falling for it, over and over again. A few Yankee dollars and they drool like hounds. And the dumb scrotes who follow them go along.

IronK's avatar

Same shit happened in the end of 1991 in north Irak

It's the dogs Barzani, They should be hanged high

Feral Finster's avatar

As I indicated, it has happened several times in the past. But the Kurdish leadership keep on taking the bait, keep telling themselves that this time, things will be different.

IronK's avatar

I don't think they have any alternative. The Barzani family from the youngest to the oldest are educated abroad and hang out with other presidents' children, they are rotten and with help from the USA and Israel they have been able to silence their people.

The Kurds are naive to believe in the USA as you write. Now is the time to wake up with a kick rather than with a soft dream.

As I see it the most logical thing that you may not like is that the Kurds have to join forces with the Iranians as we are more related to them than to any other people in the area.

Then a real war will break out, and unfortunately that is the only right thing.

I don't want war, I have lived in it, I became a soldier since I was 11 years old. But it is time now to sink the ship Turkey.

Feral Finster's avatar

The Kurds should have made peace with the Syrian government. Too late now. They should turn to Iran. But they won't. They'll just keep making the same mistakes, over and over.

IronK's avatar

It is/was not possible to make an agreement with Syria as this plan to throw out the SDF was not born yesterday.

Turkey has had a lot to say about Syria, so the Kurds there would never be allowed to make an agreement with the government that Turkey, the US and Israel created for it.

Sharra will create a new ISIS stronghold with the help of Israel and the US.

This time ISIS will go much deeper before the US says they have been deceived by Sharra.

Now the they will arm Syria properly, then the atrocities will begin.

It will be the fall of Turkey and the Turks will hang Erdogan.

Feral Finster's avatar

By not making an agreement with Syria, the Kurds lost one of their only potential regional protectors. Instead, they trusted the Americans. And if they think that the Americans will choose them over the Turks, then you are willfully naive.

Erdogan is sitting fine. The Kurds are screwed.

Daniel Gladstein's avatar

I think talk of an outright Turkish victory is a bit premature, given that the SDF still holds most of Hasakah Province, the main oil region in Syria. The SDF and its patrons, including pro-Israel factions in the West, will exert all its means to retain its chief source of revenue, hence rumors that Trump called Jolani a second time to warn against seizing too much of the area. Turkey can only defeat the SDF by depriving it of income, so the SDF, by all accounts, is still striving to hold onto the Hasakah oilfields. Also, given U.S./EU tensions, Brussels is now more willing to switch its support from Jolani to the SDF, albeit conditionally (as can be seen with Macron’s vocal demand that Syria halt its offensive)—hence a likely split with the U.S. over the nature and terms of the SDF–Syria “integration” agreement.

This dissent likely will not amount to much, however, given the far larger salience of the strategic and other interests the author lists in his article, such as the “Islamic NATO” (actually a Muslim Brotherhood [MB]-fronted alliance, given the Saudi–Qatari détente and Turkey’s role). Instead, the EU will likely seek to renegotiate the SDF–Syria deal, allowing more leeway and a wide range of functions for Kurdish autonomy, but will not alter, at least formally, the framework that favors a centralized Syria. As soon as Trump and Europe mend ties, the EU will likely renege on any “promises” it is making to the SDF. Reviving the dynamics of Brzezinski’s “Green Arc” along the energy-rich Eurasian periphery (adding the Turkic sphere as well, after “poaching” it from Russia) is more vital to Western interests vis-à-vis Russia, India, and China. Of course, all this harms Israel and the anti-“AoR”/-Iran campaign.

IronK's avatar

Now they need the dog Erdogan to unite many countries in Asia against Russia and China.

but the pig also has a best before date like all the others before him.

When the Pig Erdogan has fulfilled his function then he will be hanged when Turkey falls.

Erdogan is Ataturk 2.0

Daniel Gladstein's avatar

I disagree. I think the West sees Islamism as a better geopolitical bet than Zionism, with greater versatility and “soft power”. Plus, there is a historical model for the marriage of Turkish and Western interests: the Vatican–Ottoman alliance against Byzantium. Poland and her Habsburg influencers are competing with Hungary for the leadership of such an alliance. The West has far more to gain from such a long-term partnership than any reliance on Israel, given the latter’s multifaceted ties to Russia in key sectors through the Jewish diaspora.

IronK's avatar

Yes, politics is a dirty game.

Sharra released all the old ISIS prisoners from prison yesterday.

The Islamist ideology does not belong anywhere.

Sorry, I'm a little confused, isn't Zionism the one that controls the West?

According to Kurdish media, Kurdish military from Iran, Iraq and Turkey have already joined the SDF.

I'm sure that what is happening in Syria right now is not good for either the West or Zionists.

Because when they grow, the West will not be able to stop them or explain it away.

As you wrote, you have to have ice in your stomach and see how this degenerates.

But I agree that the West chooses Islamists like they did before. But it will not be to their advantage either.

What bothers me most on this page (not your posts) is that people write a lot of crap about fascists, racists and globalists, but they themselves sit and write racist posts between the lines.

Daniel Gladstein's avatar

I think the focus on Zionism—to the detriment of nuance—acts as a smokescreen for vested geopolitical actors, veiling vital realities such as the U.S. indebtedness to the Arabs since ditching the gold standard (1971). Since then the petrodollar has underwritten U.S. debt, deficit-spending, and well-being, giving Arabs, and Muslims globally, a massive cudgel: political access, military aid, and *real* (that is, complete, all-inclusive, or “full-spectrum”) power. Qatar, along with its U.S. satellite, controls both the global LNG supply and the energy transition, not least through its sovereign wealth funds. And energy politics intersects with the clannish virility of Muslim societies.

Moreover, a postcolonial “world-state”—enforced by supranational bodies like the UN, World Bank, and IMF—has undone the old imperial economies, thereby unchaining the former dependents and subjects. The outsourcing of supply-chains, industrial elements, technical skills, and de facto self-rule to clients or vassals has given them sway, with Muslim powers having demographic and other leads. Western policies have, in fact, handicapped their own economies, while giving Muslims the key to future dominance. (So-called “replacement migration”, the “Green New Deal”, and anti-nationalism have hardly enlarged Western competitiveness, prowess, or efficiency, much less military might.)

The events in Syria play into this dynamic, while intersecting, at least partly, with Western interests vis-à-vis rivals like Russia (and India, not to say China). Syria is a key piece in the Islamist puzzle that enables the grabbing of energy-rich regions on the Eurasian periphery, à la Brzezinski’s “Grand Chessboard”. Central Asia, with its Turkic and Sunni roots, is a big part of all this. Western globalists, acting on behalf of Qatari interests, brought Erdoğan and his AKP, a Muslim Brotherhood (MB) front, to power in the early 2000s. Not coincidentally, the future “‘Arab’ (Qatari) Spring” emerged under Bush (hence the “freedom agenda”), fueled by figures like Grover Norquist, and metastasized by 2011 under the Soros–Obama aegis.

The whole “Middle East crisis”, the Russia–Ukraine war, and even U.S.–EU tension are driven in large part by Qatari energy politics. And Qatari interests are, to a big degree, Islamist (MB) interests. So we do agree that Western *societies*, if not rulers, do not benefit from actions and ties that bolster the power of Islamists. I would merely argue that Islamist power, rather than Zionist or other influence (sorry, “Illuminati” conspiracy theorists!), is the closest thing to a *real* driver in world affairs, and has been for quite some time. Unfortunately, the powers that be exploit the ignorance of world publics and their particularistic traits, especially the xenophobic tendencies inherent in and fostered among Muslim communities, however justified such attitudes might be in practice, or in certain cases.

IronK's avatar

Well, you shouldn't just look blindly in one direction.

But I fear those who create these atrocities that can be called Zionism, Wahhabism, Muslim brothers, Salafis, Anglo-Saxons, etc., are all from a company with many tentacles.

You don't have to be a real Arab just because you look like an Arab after several generations of marriage in the country they are in.

They have "emigrated" over the decades, spread out on different continents, hold different hierarchies and areas of responsibility.

Qatar calls itself with its allies Muslim brothers, but at the same time, by their actions on "home ground" (the Middle East) causes murder, torture of Muslims with whom they claim to be brothers and sisters.

It is a great hypocrisy and heresy.

The fact that countries like UAE, Qatar, Kuwait exist is for these ideas.

All "conspiracy theories" are not conspiracy theories. But the knowledge that you possess when I read how academic you write, I'm sure you agree.

this is not directed at you, but whoever rejects all stories about "conspiracy theories" is either an agent at some level or deeply manipulated several generations back within that family/house.

I don't write academically like you or most of them here, but I can tell you that I have lived among them, interacted with them, and seen their contempt for all peoples other than themselves.

the word conspiracy theories was created by the same gang that created words like democracy, liberalism, freedom of speech, multicultural etc.

These were not created by MB, or the debt the USA has to the Middle East. These were created by people who were present in the congressional meeting sometime between the years 1755-1855.

So let's not let the focus from the topic stray from what the crazy people are called.

In addition, you are right in all the information regarding the AKP and the rest in the region.

The US says that since the regime in Syria is loyal to American interests, they don't need Kurds anymore.

Iraqi military has already moved to the Syrian border because ISIS has been released from prison and joined the rest of the ISIS military in Sharaa's gang.

Regardless of guilt or not, if the US were a real gentleman they would not let this happen, put Qatar, UAE, Saudi in place so they don't sponsor this, but they don't because they are the same tribe with some small conflicts between them like cousins can fight sometimes.

Iraq's prime minister resigns and they have put Maleki as prime minister, they have already had high-level meetings with high-ranking officials in Iran and made some agreements between the countries.

Kurds are not alone,. If there is no genocide against Kurds and those with Iran and Iraq lower ISIS again, what would the US economy look like then?

What would Turkey's economy look like?

Daniel Gladstein's avatar

For the most part I think we are not far apart, but I disagree with the premise that entities or ideas do not reflect the societies in which they emerge, as though they were entirely alien. A typical impulse is to deflect *all* blame onto outsiders: evil is from without, never within. In this Jewish, Arab, and other chauvinisms compete. The result: no agency or accountability.

Irresponsibility melds with cynicism and fraud, notably in closed-off social orders, such as kin groups. No one is immune, but some tribal, ethnic, or racial networks exhibit these to a larger degree (the displays vary by background). As a result, distrust and disharmony reign where diverse—often unrelated—groups interact, or clash, as well as within divided tribal lands.

This both hinders and abets conspiracies, as I shall show.

All men conspire, but not all conspiracies prevail, or exert power. Many aspects, motives, and actors are at work; and the fluidity of the context affects trade-offs. Asymmetries of power, insight, and access, along with human foibles, put rival plots at odds or brake existing ones. Moreover, not all intrigues are equally tenable, and must be judged case by case.

Yet I must stress that, in my view, groups that blame each other often fear their own likenesses. Arabs and Jews, especially in the MENA (a still-traditionalist space), mirror each other’s views. The influx of foreign politics amplifies and distorts these, like CIA director Angleton’s ‘wilderness of mirrors’—often by design, or ‘intel’ project. There are many ‘projects’.

The Zionist–Islamist codependency emerged of these plots and became one itself. I could point to the multifaceted role of foreign aid in helping the MB ‘sell’ itself to all sides, while seeking its own role (and taking over). That the MB was able to get support from *all* the Great Powers, as it still does, says something. And its organizational skill is striking.

To illustrate: the Egyptian MB sought out (“ex-”)Nazis, Anglo-Saxon imperialists, Soviet operatives, and the Zionists (!) at one point or another—often all at once. (It formed out of an East India Company spin-off under Lord Cromer and has been a British asset ever since.) MB schemes, such as a joint Islamist–Soviet smear campaign, even played a part in prying Nasser from the West.

Forces like the MB thrive on dissent and falsehood, including half-truths. Yet a line must be drawn, in some respects, between the Zionists and Islamists. Zionism, while still mired in its history, has been subject to deconstructionism. The MB and Co., by contrast, are *far* less contrite than the Westerners they have convinced to lay aside rationality, objectivity, and self-respect.

(Similar demands, of course, are not made on certain non-Europeans, who can retain their sentimentality and tribalism.)

The MB is far more expert at the rackets Westerners once indulged in. When selling itself to the West, it says, “We are victims like the Jews!”—adding that “We share the same foe” (i.e., Western ‘racism’). To insiders it adopts two tacks: either a) “the Holocaust didn’t happen, but it should have”; or b) “We will finish Hitler’s job—properly!” They feud with the Jews over otherness, not tactics.

Nonetheless, we part ways over our view of the bond between the U.S. and the Arab states (i.e., the petrodollar Islamists). It formed out of imperial and other factors but has since evolved into a toxic enslavement of the West by a MB-fronted clique, with the assent of other cabals like the secret societies you allude to (i.e., the Freemasons, the Round Table [Rhodes, Milner, and the Pilgrims], and so on).

The Cold War and its legacy had much to do with this, along with the other facts I listed. Western officials literally said the mujahideen shared the same values as their own founders or the ‘Enlightenment’ they belonged to (i.e., Washington, Jefferson, Locke, and the rest). Views such as these hardly differ from WWII-era proclamations that ‘ally’ Stalin was helping ‘Christianity’ and ‘democracy’.

This type of legitimation cannot be undone, or erased.

Anyway, all this ties into the “MB (petrodollar Islamist) NATO”, its scope and its overlap with the state of the (Muslim) world. On this we agree: if the West were smart and altruistic, it would never have embarked on this kind of venture to start with. I only contend that the West is as enslaved to this setup as anyone else, if not more so. It built itself a prison and gave the keys to its Arab wardens.

Now I shall segue back to the Kurds and other ‘minorities’ (who really are not, though unacknowledged).

Since 9/11 the the U.S. *never* properly resourced Kurdish forces, favoring instead Arab (often Sunni) militias aligned with MB and/or the Saudis. Under Bush the U.S. relied on ex-Baathists (Saddam’s al-Qaida/ISIS core) to staff Iraqi security forces, while ignoring peshmerga. Obama did little to aid the Kurds, hence the slow pace of offensives vs. ISIS, ensuring the brunt fell on the Syrian army and peshmerga.

In Syria the Arab SDF selectees were more loyal to “MB NATO” patrons than the Kurds, hobbling the latter’s operations and fronts. At the same time the Qatari “‘Arab’ (MB) Spring”, with its ties to Turkey, was ongoing, trumping the nexus between the U.S. and non-Arab minorities. In effect, the U.S. oversaw a globalist division of the MENA between Sunni/Shia MB and allied Islamists at others’ expense.

In this scenario Qatar’s task is to fund Turkey, the tool whereby it may co-opt, bribe, manipulate, or otherwise use Arab rivals such as the KSA/UAE.

The Obama ‘reset’ with Iran formed part of the same objective as earlier periods: to prioritize the “MB NATO” as part of a geopolitical agenda. The U.S. must form a broad-based U.S./Saudi–Iran (“AoR”)–“MB NATO” détente, allowing it to redirect force vs. Russia, India, etc. (Israel, pressed into the globalist camp, stands to loses the most in this case, while historical Iran–Russia division deepens.)

This is amply shown by the crises in the South Caucasus (Nagorno–Karabakh), Gaza, and Syria.

In 2020 globalists used their agent Pashinyan to start and lose a war—by design (aiding the “MB NATO”). Armenia was given no NATO interoperability, upgrades, proper training, or analysis; nor did its ‘leadership’ plan for a “defense (in depth)”. The goal was to isolate Armenia from Russia, fool patriots, corner Azerbaijan, and empower Turkey. And it succeeded, as events and programs show.

Separating Iran from Russia was vital, and the globalists exploited the Russia–Israel vector, including the Jewish diaspora’s function in fostering “full-spectrum” ties, by citing the Israel–Arab conflict. As a result arose Iranian accusations vs. Azerbaijan to pressure Turkish (and Likud-based) influence, at the same time as Western backing of Armenia attempted to wean Azerbaijan from Russia.

So we had Iran tactically siding with Western globalists vs. Russia as part of Iran–Russia competition in the MENA, on account of which Iran sought to punish the latter for not actively aiding, and at times opposing, Iranian geopolitics. A well-coordinated, state-backed “AoR” media campaign, likely aided by Sunni “MB NATO” elements as well, targeted Russia/Azerbaijan–Israel ties.

In Gaza Qatar rerouted Ukrainian arms to Hamas and Co. around 7 Oct 2023, dovetailing with the perpetuation of the Obama-era U.S.–Iran “reset” under his successor(s), as well as Turkish aims across the region, including influence-building. (Plus, it tied in with some ‘globalist’ [anti-Likud] Israeli factions’ desire to seek a deal with a few Hamas counterparts as part of wider aims in Syria and afield.)

In Syria the Ukrainian–Qatari–Turkish gambit took another guise, to an extent at odds with their Iranian partner’s aim(s). This was the sponsor of rogue regime insiders, including military and intelligence figures, to oust Assad, using an HTS ‘offensive’ as cover. There are so many reports of a Damascus ‘coup’ that there seems to be little doubt about its reality, as the reactions of the aides (like Fidan and Erdoğan) show.

I have no doubt that Erdoğan, Jolani, and their ilk *are* ISIS (and al-Qaida), not mere handlers. Their role is to selectively integrate the forces at their disposal while isolating rank and file who do not go along. Then the role of the Turkic states and Pakistan in aiding proxy fighters will mesh with their own MICs (larger than the GCC’s, with more and competent armed forces) using the EU’s logistics and U.S. hardware.

U.S. forces are choreographing Jolani’s moves in Syria, as well as the “collapse” (voluntary surrender, if not disbandment) of the SDF. This, obviously, is part of the ‘game’. The West’s long-term aim(s) favor, as they always have, the “MB NATO” over ‘minorities’, or even its own people. Hence the fruitlessness of sideshows like the Gülen–Erdoğan spat: the West opts for one ‘flavor’ of MB Islamism or another.

In that case, the AKP (Gülen–Erdoğan) plots vs. secular nationalism (i.e., the Ergenekon trial[s]) were central to the “MB NATO” agenda abroad. In it the Kurds could have no place. Gülen’s ‘mentor’ Said Nursî fought Kurdish autonomy, backing centralism. Gülen’s front is, in fact, a MB-tied offshoot of Nursî’s spin-off groups. Both Nursî, Gülen were tied to Turkish GLADIO infrastructure; and Nursî’s role in the Armenian massacres is a well-known ‘secret’.

Chris's avatar

Kurdistan controls the Mesopotamian Highlands, and is the key to controlling Arabs, Persians and Turks. There are many reasons why it's on the Ralph Peters map of the new middle east. Once major powers see a regional power get "upity", the cut her down to size. It happened to Saadam, the Shaw and the Sultan before them. Seems to me they're measuring for coffins in Ankara and Tehran.

IronK's avatar

For your information and to correct some statements the writer has written that are not entirely in line with the truth, usually it is because they do not have real insight and there is nothing wrong with that.

Turkey will never allow any part of their border to border a country that will be called Kurdistan.

With this knowledge, the pig Erdogan follows an old ideology that Kurds are "sinners" and considers themselves the greatest and most faithful Muslims.

THE USA AND ISRAEL have turned their backs on the Kurds for better alternatives. We Kurds should learn better when the USA betrayed us at the end of 1991, but if you have a Zionist president Barzani who had a free hand to rein in his people with the help of Israel and the USA, you can't do much.

The Kurds were never supposed to have an autonomous part in Syria like in Iraq.

Israel is on these notes and the USA has not handed over Western Asia for other territories, that is nonsense. The US and Israel have plans with Syria and Turkey would never be allowed to do something like send the military to sharaa in Syria without the approval of the clans in the US and Israel.

Listen and be amazed, the majority of the military power that is under sharaa has been taken by Turkey from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and a few other countries with staaan at the end. We have seen that and there is evidence that this is the case.

The US is involved to a very high degree, as are the Israelis.

There has been a change as has been done between other states that were enemies but have now become allies.

The Kurds will unfortunately learn a costly lesson that you should not trust any bastard from the EU countries or the US.

But the game is not over yet. The pig, the coward Erdogan is a slipper and obeys orders from Israel and the US.

They say when you are drowning and try to grab something above the water to save yourself, you grab a handle even if it was a snake. That's what Pig Erdogan does.

All EU leaders are silent like the rats they are.

IronK's avatar

and when I write that turkey does not allow to have adjacent territory with any country that will be called kurdistan, then I also mean northern iraq.

Don't forget where you heard this, kurdish iraq is next in line.

usa and israel have better alternatives but that doesn't mean they left this gold mine to the pig erdogan.

jtyjt's avatar

israel has hard times now; he can still function for a while, but flourish...

Daniel Gladstein's avatar

I think people inflate the level of influence Israel has, especially in a post-carbon world. LNG is central to the so-called “energy transition”, and powers such as the U.S. and Qatar dominate the LNG market. The Arab states have played a bigger role than Israel in financing and pioneering projects like Vision 2030, which envision a “sustainable” future backed by LNG money. The Arabs have also used their far larger oil stocks to accumulate funds for this (and influence generally), unlike Israel. And Qatar, with its ties to the Muslim Brothers (MB), is strategically pivotal to certain Western circles in limiting “multi-polar” actors like Russia and India. Much of the focus on Israel, with its on-and-off anti-Semitic overtones (in conspiracy if not anti-Zionist circles), likely serves to obscure and detract from the role assigned Qatar and its clients.

jtyjt's avatar

it's much more than an obscuring strategy - the sabotage was intentional, well planned and very ample, going from hostile buys/destruction of israeli and jewish companies (elbit, sodastream, lehman brothers) and the destruction of political life in israel (the planned collapse of the left so the subversive black and blue coalition, mostly lead by balkan sefardi, to fill unconditionally the gap, the bribing of other important politicians, like those of kadima) to the fabricated outrage about gaza, that wasn't there all the years when hamas was executing people in the street, all on the background of a clearly paid and directed anti-semitic (disguised as anti-zionist) campaign sustained by both left and right. what most jews, who already had a late reaction, mostly after "it happened to them", still refuse to admit is that the excuses and circumstantial explanations for this strategy are fake - the players were always there and waited for their moment.

Simon Abbott's avatar

'the fabricated outrage about gaza' ????

There is nothing fabricated about the outrage of most sane human beings to what is being perpetrated in Gaza..

That you should blithely state this almost in passing as you construct your geo-political narrative for West Asia is a sign of just how warped a perspective you really hold. Your affiliations have poisoned your blood.

I am not discounting your assessment of the power-plays and the actors that have been behind so much of the awful history of the region since the beginning of last century. But I am still appalled by it.

Kurds, Jews, Arabs, the list could go on... The same toxic barbarous rapacious ghouls using and abusing populations to retain and increase their power. You are deluded if you feel Israelis can somehow escape from this. Are somehow immune from its effects.

As for your final bracketed statement in your follow-up post, I share your disdain for the Compatible Left but not your dismissive suggestion that the forces you mention are merely labels used by conspiracy theorists...

jtyjt's avatar

there is only one reality in this world: the damned populations (like gazans, except those from refugee camps who originate from the rest of palestine and should have been treated differently, aka danites-phillistines) are the enemies of divine, as God Himself said it, even if pressure and temptations would make Him backtrack now, and they are also the instrument that would both 1) pervert this perverted species even more 2) exterminate in the end those that don't have fully their blood, including criminals that helped them. no deceiving human moral, ethics, institutional arguments would change that, thinking otherwise makes you (generically, not you personally) either damned or a criminal that supports them, and in the second position you are also among the victims. as for "my affiliation" in what concerns you (the rest is more complex), there is only one: to warn morons before everything "they know for sure" will collapse. i am the stinky version of a savior for stinky fools, and everything positive they will ever get, because you can't select your only chance, you receive it or not; and to convince you i am not subjective or dependent towards the jews, i only speak more and warmer with those who listen me more, they had the same chance with Jesus, and they naively thought ignoring Him will bring them a better deal. so expect someone to simon you as violently as you simon them or me; in fact there were already many, only the efforts of me and those whom i managed to convince stopped them for a while. and to make the things clear for them, i knew you, like them, that you weren't better, i just hoped you were reasonable enough to have a talk. and if you can't even reach such an abysmally low standard...also, if "compassion" is your game, why don't you start with the whole world that is drowning, including the own british population, while you defend some selected doomers, or at least with paying your debts?

Daniel Gladstein's avatar

Simply put, the Muslim powers—at least since the Cold War and decolonization—have *always* had the demographic and economic leverage over the West. The focus on Israel, Zionism, and/or “Jewry” is a foil to distract the mind from the petrodollar (and now the LNG–renewables nexus). The same powers, principally Arab, that oversaw the rise of oil as a strategic commodity are now overseeing its replacement as part of a global “Green New Deal”, while blaming its side effects on “the Jews” and/or Western “colonialists”. All this helps to smooth the way to a renewed offensive, backed up by Muslim fecundity, against anti-globalist “infidels” like Russia or India. (I expect the culprits, with their pseudo-leftist “alt-media” [including N.R.P.R.] links, to say international “Zionism” or Western “imperialism” is secretly behind this, of course.)

jtyjt's avatar

and since they are wrong about circumstantial explanations, they are also wrong about the actors behind it; in fact, it's the same kind of people, from the same circles, that are behind nrpr movement, muslim brotherhood, "gaza outrage" and stuff, and by attacking bystanders, you only make the isolation of the true culprits harder, while transforming a debate into a stampede. as for western imperialism, there are two competing realities - it's not a given, it's a secondary effect of the actions of the same irritant, and stronger the irritant is, more will this imperialism grow, and that should interest you because this, especially in europe now, but you know it also had an american phase, it becomes anti-semitic too. so i think the right approach is not to spare the western sensibilities, but to go to the cause and open them new perspectives, which they are incapable to reach right now. the cause it's a sickness provoked by a parasite, so you either administer the cure, together with a get well plan, or see the patient dying. that's at least how i feel i would contribute better, i can't give advice to people more involved in the social life and who might want to keep their leverage for alternative strategies.

Simon Abbott's avatar

'Simply put, the Muslim powers—at least since the Cold War and decolonization—have *always* had the demographic and economic leverage over the West.'

what drivel...

jtyjt's avatar

that's at least how i feel i would contribute better, i can't give advice to people more involved in the social life and who might want to keep their leverage for alternative strategies.

Simon Abbott's avatar

this long rambling self-validating drivel using an interpretation of Christianity and 'the word of God' is pseudo-intellectual garbage attempting to pose as 'realpolitik'..

As for the parasite, cure and patient business.... sufficiently vague to be able to mean anything (or nothing...)

jtyjt's avatar

give me ONE argument, don't just defy mine. ur kind has a murderous ideology, combined with a big "humanitarian" mouth about the few they spare because they are as perverted as themselves. look, two arguments in 3 lines...it happens when the truth you promote is not more monstrous than the lie you tell to hide it. that's why i don't need phrases like "your presentation doesn't fit modern context and it's made from a narrowly subjective perspective".

Simon Abbott's avatar

You have no idea what my ideology is.. nor indeed if I even have one..nor do you know 'my kind'... but you obviously think you do.....you even know my 'monstrous truth'..

As for your final statement, it isn't even a remotely accurate paraphrase of what i said....

You seem to be having a discussion with some fictitious commentator - certainly not me..

I suggest you foster a relationship with a chat bot... you're sure to find it infinitely more accommodating of your convoluted drivel.

Walter DuBlanica's avatar

Kurds are the largest ethnic group without a country of their own. Live in southeast Turkey and border regions in Syria,Iraq, Iran. Their future is too hard to predict. Prior to WWI Poland was devided between Russia, Germany, Austro-Hungry. Germans & Russians hate P oles and would be happy to see the end of the country called Poland.

Deplorable Commissar's avatar

" Germans & Russians hate P oles and would be happy to see the end of the country called Poland. "

Yet, you keep wondering why the Poles arent fond of Russia .

IronK's avatar

Kurds have existed for 6000 years, 1400 years of these as Muslims.

Kurds have fallen victim to chemical weapons (halabja), bombed with phosphorus by saddam, defeated several times Assyrians and Babylonians, Kurds had to lose their country they had for a few years due to England's inbreeding games after the first world war.

They have all tried to destroy Kurds, but today Kurds are about 40 million.

This war against Kurds by Erdogan is not a political war, it is religious because they think Kurds are not real Muslims.

But what Kurds have done for Islam in history, expanded Muslim territories that no fucking Turkish pasha has succeeded in or dreamed of as the Kurds have succeeded in through sallahadin.

Therefore comparison with Poles is misleading and you have no idea about the situation when you sit and compare these with each other.

Walter DuBlanica's avatar

I know something about Kuurds. A lot about Poles. Prior to WWI Poles were divided up between Russia, Germany & Austro-Hungry. What else do you want to say Smarty Pants???

IronK's avatar

if you knew better you wouldn't compare them, mr. Rupert.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, but that it's pathetic to compare these people.

Stick to uniting all Europeans because they are Europeans instead.

Darras's avatar

No, you're wrong it's not hate, it's only contempt.

Mehmet OğuzAydoğdu's avatar

Zımnen onaylanan, abd 'nin siyasi hedeflerine ulaşması için patika değişikliği olsa gerek.Yolu uzatırken iç problemleri de artacaktır.

jtyjt's avatar

google translate: This is likely an implicitly approved change of course for the US to achieve its political goals. However, lengthening the route will also increase internal problems.