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zogoibi's avatar

Were NATO to extend its "sky shield" into Western Ukraine (and seen as the West has been "trespassing" one after another without any consequence what many Russians and pro-Russians, correctly or not, consider red lines) it's hard to believe that the Kremlin would energically react to such new setp in any relevant way. So, I'd deem outcome #4 to be a likely one.

Dr Livci's avatar

Is it coincidence that the Zapad excercises are set to start tomorrow?

Clay Suddath's avatar

It’s simply more fear-mongering.

Nakayama's avatar

to justify military spending, centralization of power, and suppression of freedom. All in the name of the inevitable victory in the inevitable war.

LJones's avatar

It's really really difficult to see how any semi-informed person could take this drone issue seriously. Russia has zero motive to involve NATO and the Euros argue Russia is so inept that after 4 yrs of fighting the Russians barely control 75% of the land they claim. And NATO is obvsly using EW on the Russian drones. Forget about "facts" of the decoy drone "escalation", simple common sense says to drop the BS flag on this story.

Plus, didnt US just announce elimination of NATO support for the Balkans? Isnt that pretty deescalatory?

Is it crazy to think there may be a competition/ cooperation going on in the background to negotiate spheres of influence, from which btw Europe is being totally excluded which is making them desperate.

Feral Finster's avatar

More likely is that NATO will impose a "no-fly zone" over western Ukraine.

"Regardless of whatever happens with the aforesaid scenario, Poland won’t go any further by deploying troops to Ukraine for example, which Nawrocki ruled out."

Nawrocki said what he said in the context of Trump making noises about the US leaving Ukraine.

Trump, however, is weak, stupid and easily manipulated, and has been brought back around with flattery and promises of plunder. If the US says "do it!" poland will meekly obey any order.

Silverback's avatar

Is there any evidence that the drone attack was a false flag operation launched by Ukraine?

Nakayama's avatar

Only weakly related: the geography makes it difficult for Poland to attack Belarus or Russia, and vice versa, in a conventional sense. Any sparking in that direction will be a drone war. The air war, if any, will quickly fade out after a high attrition rate. Drone war has an "advantage" in that it can be easily escalated and de-escalated. Couple that with the geography, serious wars can happen only if one side has a sincere pursuit of military victory. I don't see that prospect any time soon. In comparison, the Kaliningrad area is more urban, flatter, and has an open seafront. Russians have already armed the Kaliningrad area to the teeth, and probably beyond. As long as Russians can keep their red line enforced around Kaliningrad, that area also should be safe.

While the Russian Pantsir system is very effective against drones, I think it is still too expensive against swarms of quadcopters each carrying five pounds of explosives. There is a Youtube video showing a video camera-based drone detection system directing either an automatic shotgun or a 5.56 in rapid firing. This is a setup that can be carried down to an infantry squad. Russians need to downscale the Pantsir to something more ready for the individual infantry squad.

voza0db's avatar

So terrorists from Poland want more USofT terrorists in there and use NATO systems to hijack Russian drones in order to create a proper excuse for another USofT terrorists deployment in N-Poland.

Seems the usual operation.

Darras's avatar

As always in History, legendary stupid pride of Poles will lead them to destruction .

As always in History, they will drag west Europe in their disastrous ending

Feral Finster's avatar

And you think that the british and french are urging poland to stand back, to cool off?

Hardly. They are egging poland on, since they are confident that the United States will (again!) ride to the rescue, rather than leave its european catamites hanging out to dry.

Darras's avatar

You're right my friend. As I said , stupid pride of Poland is the mirror of french and English one.

In 1804, that cost us an empire in 1812 and our sovereignty in 1815.

In 1918, the stupid Anglo-French pride found very clever to make born again the corps of a Poland dead 125 years before like crazy Frankenstein. And that cost to both their independence 22 years after for France and 24 years for UK .

It's the same scenario, stupid dumb french and English intelligentsia find very smart to invit Poland in its own Legendary stupid pride. Unfortunately, I fear that this time, the price of such a stupidity will no be only our sovereignty. It will probably cost us our existence.

barnabus's avatar

I think Poles just did a balloon test, to see how much traction they can with this get while the Ukraine defence is crumbling and their army is losing men. Population-wise, if Poland were to declare war on Russia, it would be a major order of battle increase on the Western-Ukraine side. Poland has twice as large population base compared to Ukraine without Novorossiya. So effectively, the demographic side would expand 3x. At the same time, Poland would be losing a lot of their currently pristine infrastructure. However, only French and British were willing to commit a pittance of their forces, and probably said no as to the replacement of Polish economic loss.

Darras's avatar

And this stupid pride is just the mirror of that of westerners.

Boris Petrov's avatar

Israel killed Kirk – see OUTSTANDING Krainer video below

Kirk was a true Zionist believer who started to very seriously doubt – he was likely murdered by Israel + UK fascists.

US is an occupied country – 75%+ of Congress and Senate are in Israel’s pocket.

Once US Christian Zionist lunatics, that is non-Christian criminals in charge of “feeding” 2M+ Gazans, sufficiently starve them – desperate survivors would “willingly” move to Antarctica

US totally supports two Nazi-dominated governments – of U and I. Need to change the suicidal WW3 path.

Alex Krainer: Charlie Kirk SHOT DEAD - Israel Attack CRUMBLES – “Russian” Drones Over Poland

Sept 11 -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROQgMvcxV_s&t=3841s

Andrew Korybko's avatar

Can you please keep your comments relevant to the subject of my analyses? Thanks.

Velociraver's avatar

Nobody cares about the death of yet another religious nutbag from the USA.