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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

A full ceasefire will happen after the Trump Administration forces Ukraine to agree to terms which are acceptable to Russia. Ukraine never had any chance whatsoever of winning this war.

Of course, winning the war was never the point. Waging it for Western MIC profits and to weaken Russia were, and still are as far as the EU is concerned.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

The process is slowly going forward with baby steps but it is going forward. It is far more dangerous and complex than the Cuban missile crisis was in 1962. This conflict is the result of two personalities and the forces behind them that disregarded the possibility of a nuclear war. This also clearly reflects on the mental characteristics of Mr. Z and Biden and their close followers. The $666 million question is: How did these two freaks take over these two nations?

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Julian Hudson's avatar

The process was made needlessly complex by every U.S. President, including Trump. I vehemently oppose Trump's insincere efforts to rehabilitate himself as a man of peace.

This is a 30 year U.S. policy and no one should be under any illusions that Trump is different because he isn't. His foreign policy goals remain unchanged fromt Biden's.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

He is not really different but he is smart enough to understand that America cannot fight a nuclear war against China, Russia and North Korea at the same time. Even Iran might join the club soon. The reason he is trying to grab control of Greenland and Canada is to fight out a possible nuclear conflict over their heads and not over U.S. territory.

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Julian Hudson's avatar

No one will escape a nuclear war. The fact that Trump is willing to knowingly make other nations the target of nuclear weapons in order to protect the U.S. is a purely selfish act.

Taking over other countries is against the U.N. Charter. Trump shouldn't be thinking about fighting against any nation unless it is a legitimate court order in effect.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Nobody gets to say the Cuban Missile Crisis wasn't real. It's my first clear memory. I was 4 years old in San Antonio. My parents were so scared of getting nuked we drove over 400 miles north to my uncle's farm in the Texas Panhandle.

On the way up, we drove by Titan missile fields, the missiles' noses poking up out of their silos and their vents steaming. When it was over, we drove home and the missiles had been replaced by grazing cattle, which to this day I always associate with peace.

President Kennedy overruled his insane advisors like Curtis LeMay and the only reason we didn't have a nuclear war then was because a Russian commissar on a submarine made the right call.

It was a very near thing. We were seconds from living in the world described in A Canticle for Leibowitz. It was triggered by stupid shit; such things always are, but they're not fake.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

"the only reason we didn't have a nuclear war then was because a Russian commissar on a submarine made the right call."

I checked the evidence on that case and it was real. That man faced off the two other top officers on that submarine while in grave danger, down to the end on their air supply. The two others wanted to fire nuclear tipped torpedoes against the U.S. Navy boats while those were dropping (phony or real?) depth charges on the subs. They had no idea what they were playing with. After the two Russian submarines surfaced they were allowed to proceed to go home. When they arrived their superiors blamed them for not dying under the water next to Cuba but they were not punished.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

I should get one as well. He should have gotten the Hero of the Soviet Union medal for that one, but he didn’t. Hell! He should have been awarded the Medal of Honor by Kennedy.

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Kennewick Man's avatar

These pages provide in depth detailed documentation of this extreme confrontation in October of 1962. U.S. Navy documents mostly. The images of the Soviet officers from Submarine B-59 are included. From the documents it comes forward that contrary to the original plan; four diesel submarines were sent by the Soviets instead of nuclear subs. These boats had limited time under water plus they were often experiencing various technical breakdowns.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2022-10-03/soviet-submarines-nuclear-torpedoes-cuban-missile-crisis

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/28925-16-recollections-vadim-orlov-ussr-submarine-b-59-we-will-sink-them-all-we-will-not

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Julian Hudson's avatar

Russia has made its terms clear and there's no way Trump can concede to them without being criticized at home.

Any concessions that Trump would demand from Putin would undermine Russian security which is the opposite of what Putin should do.

Trump isn't friends with Putin. Whatever respect Trump has for Putin he only has because Putin has stood up to him

I don't expect this grain deal to be any more successful than the last. We both know how badly Ukraine and NATO abused that one.

I think the U.S. will abuse it also or turn a blind eye to any abuse that is committed by others.

Trump isn't an enemy of the Deep State. He's just reorienting it for his purposes. The Deep State will always be anti Russian

Trump's Gaza, China, and Greenland policies tell us everything we need to know about Trump's insincerity.

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Liza Gumbi's avatar

It's creaking along sure. Not at all sure it's going to end up where it seems people think it will.

Why is Trump assigned so much power - it's clear his hands are tied. His farcical 'stopping of US aid' was clearly a sign that he is slowly being reigned in by US deep state.

It's also clear that US power is more and more financial, less military.

The main thrust of US might is financial sanctions. Yet even here he is being checked again and again. Is he prepared to kill his country's economy by his insane tariff schemes? It's like he doesn't quite understand the real world implications of what he wants to do. Too many things are being attempted at the same time. It will implode because US supply chains are mostly between Mex/US/Can.

What is his leverage against Russia? None worth the salt tbh. How is he going to threaten Russia to a ceasefire if RF doesn't see the need?

Secondary sanctions are already being applied - is he going to apply them more???

In terms of the war - US aims haven't changed an iota. That was clear when he didn't even let dust settle on his own threat.

Lifting sanctions is not the holy grail it once was. It would certainly ease trade for RF if they were, but they never will be all lifted. A few will but RF is surviving with them. They have to because they are here to stay. RF trades outside the US dollar as much as it can. RF was forced to dedollarise and it will not go back to Swift.

RF/US relationship is pragmatic at this point. That's as it should be. Each will do things as per their own aims and objectives. All we can hope for is that they can find common ground long enough to get things done.

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Andre's avatar

At the moment everything is just talk and talk and more talk ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

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Too much work's avatar

The only thing going on between Trump and Putin is a slight that will in most likelihood result in the death of millions of Americans

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Hillary Han's avatar

I sincerely pray that the relationship between Putin and Trump is authentic, and not a ruse--especially on Trump's side.

There is so much at stake, in the geopolitical cosmos to weigh, balance and take serious.

Here is an article by Michael Synder which puts forth the painful contrary view.

https://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/7-actions-that-nato-countries-are-taking-which-indicate-that-something-really-big-is-coming/

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Parti's avatar

How will Odessa become Russian with a ceasefire?

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Berta Nelson's avatar

That's why DJT wants to grab it now. The whole thing is a charade that Russian leaders see through but play along for optics sake. Otherwise, they'd be vilified for "not wanting to make peace" just as they are now for "invading a small, innocent country." Unfortunately, the western media controls the world's airwaves.

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Ash 1952's avatar

Putin has asked for certain conditions to be met before a full ceasefire is agreed .

Putin knows how Russia was stabbed in the back by breaking all Minsk agreement.

He won’t make same mistakes again .

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Berta Nelson's avatar

Exactly.

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