It’s unlikely that Russia would risk rallying the West around a no-fly zone over Ukraine by staging a deliberate provocation against Poland or even just carrying out a recon mission in NATO airspace.
This drones affairs has all the marks of a false flag event to rally NATO / EU to support Ukraine.
And yet, it could also end up up being used as warning by Russia to the European warmongers. The Russian (turbo)nationalists have been calling for a long time for responses to the west trespassing all red lines, and apparently Dugin just interpreted this episode just in that way.
It would be weird, even kind of funny, if a false flag event to rally support ended up becoming a warning to actually cool it down!
is it not STUNNING that the NATO crowd is still trotting out the false-flag shit? Iraq, Syria -- Douma always comes to mind as classic. Nothing could be as clear as that Ukraine broke into its prized collection of gathered Russian drones that failed the first time and launched them from the Belorussian border or probably even from over the border. These are the set-ups where somebody is to give the Big Boys a pretext for action and as the opponents know this and do not do so, the Big Boys will have to stage it and THEN take action. The minute we enlarged NATO eastward was the death of NATO for America -- it is a war trap for our country. I have truly come to despise NATO as some nest of vermin that threatens us all with a "health plague."
This might also be a hint and message regarding possible Ukrainian drones crossing over Poland to attack Russia in the Leningrad region. Just another speculation.
Well... If Russians know that the terrorists of NATO are playing games in Poland and still send drones to the proximity of it, it seems Russians need to wise-up!
What RF drone has such an extended 700km+ range, yet such a weak payload as to fail to fully remove the roof of a wooden garage? Geran warheads are typically 55kg+, iirc, more than enough to obliterate said garage. These drones were launched west of the Dnieper, I believe.
For what my opinion is worth, and supposing the stray drones were indeed launched by Russia and not by Ukraine, the immediate consequence of this incident might well be that Russia henceforth will refrain from sending drones to Western Ukraine in order to prevent escalation with NATO due to future similar incidents. Such outcome, favourable to Ukraine, might in turn point to either a deliberate NATO-Ukraine jamming in order to achieve precisely that, or to Ukraine having launched the drones with the same goal.
On the other hand, though, if -as some sources inform- the drones flying over Poland were merely reconnaissance ones, that would make the false flag hypothesis a bit less plausible, for such an operation in order to trigger a Poland-NATO response would have been more effective had the drones carried explosives, wouldn't it?
Has Russia been flying drones the whole time over Poland? Seems if they were finally jammed then they have been caught finally. Putin has moved the goalposts through these negotiations and I don’t find it out if the realm this is just him finally getting caught. There’s nothing but conjecture that these drones were “jammed” because Ursula’s plane landed using maps. I think it’s a bit naive to think this hasn’t been going on for some time. Whether or not these are recon drones doesn’t make it better. That just proves spying doesn’t it?
Anyway, Nawrocki made his statement in the context of the Americans making noises about leaving Ukraine. Trump has again flipped, his appetite whetted by flattery and dreams of plunder.
This drones affairs has all the marks of a false flag event to rally NATO / EU to support Ukraine.
And yet, it could also end up up being used as warning by Russia to the European warmongers. The Russian (turbo)nationalists have been calling for a long time for responses to the west trespassing all red lines, and apparently Dugin just interpreted this episode just in that way.
It would be weird, even kind of funny, if a false flag event to rally support ended up becoming a warning to actually cool it down!
is it not STUNNING that the NATO crowd is still trotting out the false-flag shit? Iraq, Syria -- Douma always comes to mind as classic. Nothing could be as clear as that Ukraine broke into its prized collection of gathered Russian drones that failed the first time and launched them from the Belorussian border or probably even from over the border. These are the set-ups where somebody is to give the Big Boys a pretext for action and as the opponents know this and do not do so, the Big Boys will have to stage it and THEN take action. The minute we enlarged NATO eastward was the death of NATO for America -- it is a war trap for our country. I have truly come to despise NATO as some nest of vermin that threatens us all with a "health plague."
It works.
This might also be a hint and message regarding possible Ukrainian drones crossing over Poland to attack Russia in the Leningrad region. Just another speculation.
that's coming if NATO doesn't stop the shit and Russia won't disguise it.
Well... If Russians know that the terrorists of NATO are playing games in Poland and still send drones to the proximity of it, it seems Russians need to wise-up!
What RF drone has such an extended 700km+ range, yet such a weak payload as to fail to fully remove the roof of a wooden garage? Geran warheads are typically 55kg+, iirc, more than enough to obliterate said garage. These drones were launched west of the Dnieper, I believe.
For what my opinion is worth, and supposing the stray drones were indeed launched by Russia and not by Ukraine, the immediate consequence of this incident might well be that Russia henceforth will refrain from sending drones to Western Ukraine in order to prevent escalation with NATO due to future similar incidents. Such outcome, favourable to Ukraine, might in turn point to either a deliberate NATO-Ukraine jamming in order to achieve precisely that, or to Ukraine having launched the drones with the same goal.
On the other hand, though, if -as some sources inform- the drones flying over Poland were merely reconnaissance ones, that would make the false flag hypothesis a bit less plausible, for such an operation in order to trigger a Poland-NATO response would have been more effective had the drones carried explosives, wouldn't it?
Has Russia been flying drones the whole time over Poland? Seems if they were finally jammed then they have been caught finally. Putin has moved the goalposts through these negotiations and I don’t find it out if the realm this is just him finally getting caught. There’s nothing but conjecture that these drones were “jammed” because Ursula’s plane landed using maps. I think it’s a bit naive to think this hasn’t been going on for some time. Whether or not these are recon drones doesn’t make it better. That just proves spying doesn’t it?
The pitcher goes so far that in the end it breaks.
Public opinion does not follow at all.
Doesn't matter, if it works.
Anyway, Nawrocki made his statement in the context of the Americans making noises about leaving Ukraine. Trump has again flipped, his appetite whetted by flattery and dreams of plunder.