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Andrew Korybko's avatar

COMMUNITY RULES

I tolerate pretty much anything other than ethno-national slurs and personal attacks, whether against others or especially against myself. When it comes to me, this also includes innuendo about my motives. Such comments toxify the conversation and violators risk being blocked.

Feral Finster's avatar

It has long been obvious that the real goal of the United States and Israel is to turn Iran into a failed state, much like what was done to Iraq, Libya and Syria.

Nobody cared about democracy human rights or any of the other self-serving rhetoric.

Ж.Д.'s avatar

Agreed entirely, though Iran has a lot going for it that Libya, Iraq, Syria did not.

Feral Finster's avatar

Well, they are fighting back harder and not standing around and being punching bags.

Ж.Д.'s avatar

Greater internal cohesion, especially around a civilizational national history and a religious-political-cultural movement that champions sacrifice, martyrdom, and enmity against the attacking external forces. Relatively high industrial capacity that is largely self-sufficient. Huge territory with challenging geographic terrain. Indigenous war and defense technology. Powerful allies in high places.

Darras's avatar

Allies? Who? Where? When? How?

Do you remember the rush of westerners to back Ukraine?

Do you see anything like that here?

Do you see anything except polite critics at UNO?

Ж.Д.'s avatar

People push back against the term allies and yeah maybe it’s too strong of a term. I wrote the above comment in a rush but I stand by it. Yet I still agree with what you wrote there.

rakyat kecil's avatar

Lavrov spoke strong words in support of Iran against Gulf state wringing and it proposed UN resolution which condemns Iran's attacks but is silent on Anglozionist attacks, so that's possibly one ally in diplomacy and ISTAR targeting or China's help?

Mr Eric Chan's avatar

The only things to be seen is whether the IRGC repays in kind. Haifa oil refinery apparently has been attacked with a large Iranian missile. Will the Israel's desalination plants and other critical infrastructure be fair game now?

Pramod's avatar

The Hezbollah precedent and the fate generally suffered by the so-called Axis of Resistance suggests that Israel has been hitherto been able to obliterate most of the assets that constitute top-line strategic arsenal of the adversary before they even got the opportunity to be actively deployed or used in battle, as well as disrupt the ancillary framework of guidance hardware which enables their purposeful use. Besides, Israel possess an enormous advantage in capacity for collective narrative-building with its immense influence on reactions from governments world over. This is what had happened after the Hezbollah had bombastically released satellite footage of critical Israeli assets such as the Dimona facility suggesting it possessed the capability to strike them at will. There is a world of difference between possessing some capability and actually being able to use it within the available window of opportunity, not the least of which hinges on the formidable challenges involved in mustering the courage to do so. However, Iran is very different from Hezbollah, and some intelligence reports suggest it might even retain the capacity for a nuclear second strike in following a surprise nuclear first-strike conducted by an adversary on its territory. Surprises can spring up in the middle east at any time. Iran has the advantage of geography, a cast iron will-power, and the operational freedom that comes naturally with a mosaic architecture of military organisation.

stakx's avatar

Yes, it gives Iran the moral standing among countries to strike in similar ways. The warning about striking Iranian desalination plant and oil facilities is not being taken seriously. It’s clear that Iran can strike such facilities. In this existential war, I fear that the “failed state” (which may or may not come to pass) will have capabilities to destroy the region. Mosaic defense empowers the regional military groups to plan and fire at their discretion. It doesn’t seem like one can stop them or defend against it.

Darras's avatar

If China and Russia let a so strategically important friend pounded and martyred, this blood will fall on their head.

But where are the Escobar, Larry Johnson and all those who swore, one month ago, that never Russia and China would let Iran attacked. Where are, here, the fanboys who spoke about the russian and Chinese navies which will protect Iran?

Johnny Storm's avatar

The US and Israel are nothing but war criminals and I'm amazed how people can't see that by now.

Darras's avatar

There are not so blind as those who will not see.

Humanity crimes:

- Indians extermination

- Philippines ( 1 million death)

- German civilians( 1? 2 millions?)

- Atomic bombs on Japan

- Noth Korea( 3?4 millions?)

- Vietnam

- Yougoslavie

- Irak 2003

And I don't even speak about war crimes, backing of bloody coups and coloured revolutions.

Johnboy's avatar

This is how the US makes war. Hang your head in shame and embarrassment, Americans.

rakyat kecil's avatar

Johnboy, you shouldn't rope in the American people, they all don't support this war or others. Many citizens from other countries support this war far more than the average American citizen and look at the Zionist Isrealis dancing in the street when Hassan Nassrallah and Khamenei were killed, this didn't happen in the US.

It is the Anglozionist Epstein types pushing this war not average Americans who will pay the costs.

Johnboy's avatar

Thanks, Rakyat. Of course you are right about dragging all Americans into it because the vast majority do not support what is happening. But ask any of them if they are proud of this, and they would probably all tell you that they are ashamed and embarrassed about what is being done in their name, the name of the American people. But it is the way the US elites happen to do it - as we have unfortunately seen umteen times during this century as well as the last.

rakyat kecil's avatar

Thanks for your kind words, we are all in this together against the powers/bourgeoisie or corporations, Anglozionists and a Russian or Iranian worker is no different to an Australian or American worker in any way. If the government represses society we all suffer and the division they attempt to create between nations and its peoples is not to our benefit.

All governments are moving in the same direction in lockstep really just not so openly maybe.

US gets rich Zionists to buy the media outlet where as Russia outlaws telegram. Same result different style, media freedom curtailed in both instances just the same.

England outlaws the phrase from the river to the sea but supports civilian slaughter.

Love never fails's avatar

Länder zurück in die Steinzeit bomben, feige mit Bodentruppen landen, wenn keine Gefahr mehr besteht oder die Sicherheit, dass man widerstandlos alles plätten kann und dann die Siegerparty in die Medien schieben.

Was anderes konnte der Ami nie. Und wird er nie können.

Interessant finde ich dabei, dass Umweltaspekte in den Westmedien plötzlich überhaupt keine Rolle spielen, während Deutschland für schwachsinnigste grüne Interessen zur Kasse gebeten wird.

Die Westmedien tragen eine große Schuld am Leid der Welt.

Kennewick Man's avatar

Reality is moving into a status of common understanding in the 21st century: Israel, USA and the Neanderthals have one thing in common, THEY ARE ALL HOMICIDAL MANIACS.

Turnier Bauseits's avatar

Not the Neanderthals

Darras's avatar

Sorry, but Neanderthals have been genocided by our ancestors.

Mediocrates's avatar

Surely New Yorkers don’t want to experience another 9/11?

Erik Vynckier's avatar

The hits on Teheran will result in tit-for-tat in Tel Aviv.

IronK's avatar

It's not just environmental, it also causes shortness of breath, skin burns and certain diseases.

Pramod's avatar

Some days ago, a desalination plant was allgedly hit in Israel in an Iranian strike. About three days ago, as if in concert, speculation appeared in various English and Arabic language news channels to the effect that Iran is likely to bomb desalination plants which form the lifeline in Arab Gulf countries which are sun-scorched hot deserts with no rivers. And the very next day, a massive strike completely took out the water desalination plant in Qeshm, Iran, which by Iranian accounts has disrupted drinking water supply to 30 villages. Iran warned the world soon after that its adversaries might be planning a false flag sabotage by bombing a desalination plant or two in a Gulf Arab country and spinning the thesis that the attacks were perpetrated by Iran in reprisal for the Qeshm bombings, thereby creating a causus beli to justify a subsequent nuclear attack on Iranian cities to force a surrender. How much substance or conjecture there is to such suspicion will only become evident from developments that unfold in the coming days. An alternative scenario could have the Americans first bombing the Persian Gulf Water Supply Company piped network meant for transporting desalinated drinking water from the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman deep inland into Iran to place such as Yazd, Kerman and Isfahan, prompting a Iranian retaliation on desalination plants in its Arab neighbourhood which could presage wreaking of nuclear holocaust on Iran by the American coalition. Iranian foreign minister Abbas Aragchi has alleged in an official press release that the UAE and Bahrain are respectively the launch pads from where American bombings of the Iranian girls' school in Minab and of the drinking water plant in the Iranian Island of Qeshm were conducted. Things got even more complicated very recently when a number of press outlets claimed that the UAE has formally entered this war and has even claimed authorship of a successful hit on Iran. This development acquires especial significance in view of a social media post attributed to Donald Trump which suggests that American backing has enabled Arab neighbours to militarily defeat Iran for the first time in "thousands of years", a tweet which is the IRGC is citing as corroboration of its allegation that Gulf Arab monarchiates are being induced under American pressure to assemble a special force for physical occupation of Iran under the ambitious cover of a yet another Qadsia (in reference to the Islamic era battle wherein Arab warriors had routed much larger Persian contingents for the first time ever in history) for selling this idea to their Arab populace. IRGC spokespersons have been saying that the American attacks on critical civil infrastructure such as drinking water purification plants in Iran which is no less water-starved than its Arab neighbours, is of the same quantum of catastrophe as any hypothetical retaliatory strike on similar infrastructure in Gulf Arab countries that might follow it, but the latter would command disproportionately higher visibility on a global scale owing to the far greater numbers of Asian expatriates inhabiting Gulf countries who would be obviously imperiled by such reprisals. The IRGC has also been saying in Persian language communiques that the American-led coalition is trying to provoke it into mounting reprisals of such scale and impact as could immediately serve to brand the current leadership of Iran an unruly rogue monster gone berserk, in order to justify devastating assaults on Iran with WMD's in turn. Yet, however, the justice minister of Iran, believed to be close to the IRGC has said that Iran will not be cowed down by any fears and reserves the right serve justice upon its belligerent adversaries in the neighbourhood by inflicting punitive strikes upon them of such scale as is commensurate with their transgressions on Iranian soil. These remarks add conditionality upon the qualified assurance given by Pezeshkian of refraining from further attacks on Gulf Sheikhdoms provided the latter reliably demonstrate the will reciprocate in kind. Gulf Arab governments on the other hand have now began voicing intent to more proactively implement what they call deterent measures against Iran including offensive ones under the right to collective self defence against what they allege are sprawling attacks on civilian urban infrastructure by drone swarms from Iran, a charge that Iran denied with the insistence that it has thus forth targeted only western military bases situated on Arab soil but the missiles and drones are liable to be veered astray in the terminal phase because American Electronic counter-measures which interfere with the terminal trajectories of those missiles allegedly prioritise safety of American bases over the lives of Asiatic expat civilians inhabiting the densely populated skyscraper neighbourhoods which happen to lie in close proximity owing to logistic constraints faced by town planners in placing military bases farther into uninhabited desert.

Iran has been accused of having launched a couple of missiles carrying cluster bombs in the payload, but as of now there is no means of verifying this claim because the spent and intercepted ammunition cache that has been put up on display by authorities in the UAE does not feature any cluster ammunition, while Israel which has alleged having been on the receiving end of such ammunition has a strict censorship policy in place which prohibits the publication or transmission of footage from affected sites. Some columnists writing on online platforms say that Iran has cluster warhead missiles in its arsenal, which are way different from the cluster bombs banned under certain international conventions to which neither Iran nor Israel are signatories. These observers say that cluster warheads are in principle miniature versions of Oreshniks and are no more illicit in the conceptual sense than MIRVs that are in active deployment in the missile forces of several countries. It is also true that precedent for use of actual cluster bombs already exists in the form of Storm Shadow missiles provided by the USA via Britain to Ukraine which were used for attacks on Kursk and which delivered latent cluster bombs powder coated in green paint to mimic foliage and lay dormant and concealed for months to years like deadly land mines amidst the vegetation of the steppes frequented by village peasants until stepped on or otherwise handled accidentally. Remnants of several hundred of such missiles, each having delivered multiple cluster bombs, have been recovered from sites attacked by Ukraine in Russia.

A perusal of the course taken by the war this far shows that attempts at token demonstration of strategic parity on part of Iran such as by releasing satellite footage of locations of high value targets in Israel that were hitherto believed to be beyond Iran's radar and reach, have miserably failed to deter the US in pursuing its maximalist goals in Iran without regard for the scale of collateral cost in terms of civilian casualties and the ethical dilemma of an assault so enormous as can be metaphorically described as killing a fly with a cannon. All in all, the American strategy right now is one of intensive-extensive bombing aimed at preemptive elimination of potential Iranian missile launch pads as well as high tech weapons inventories at source in their storage depots before those weapons ever get the chance to be actively deployed or used in battle, the zero-miss strategy, unmindful of howsoever huge the collateral civilian casualty count might be. It is getting closer and closer by the passing day to the SHOCK AND AWE employed with success against Iraq two decades ago. American strategy leaves no room for countenancing or condoning escalation dominance on part of the adversary, even if that means recourse to first strike with nuclear weapons for enforcing decisive decapitation. In this regard, American war planners have the unique advantage of remote access via AI to just about every device that operates on Android or Apple software in Iran including mobile handsets smart TV's, CCTV security cameras, and laptabs to name just a few. This places Iran in an overly vulnerable situation. The US endgame has not been spelt out clearly and there are indications that the Pentagon is poised not to settle for anything but a complete capitulation and devastation of Iran and has no compunction about precipitating environmental/humanitarian catastrophes in Iran to force the alienation of a demoralised public from the state, just as they had weaponised the excruciatingly painful myelin-devouring terminal starvation that had become rampant in an Iraqi populace beleaguered under artificial scarcity attendant upon a water-right air-sea blockade of food supplies for forcing a surrender of Iraq in 1991.

Iran has alleged that American military garrisons and war planners are operating from residential buildings in Gulf Arab kingdoms after having substantially vacated the designated military bases.

https://youtu.be/MBftHkTIKNE?si=hIy5rky6k8ZmjFOi

The lesson for Russia is that in the event of outbreak of hot hostilities with NATO over Ukraine or some other pretext, Russia probably stands exponentially higher chance of surviving in one piece without ending up as a fragmented mosaic bereft of anything remotely resembling a "goverment" if it were to use nuclear weapons early on in the conflict with the element of surprise added than if it were to dither upto the so called "last resort stage" when chance of meaningful or worthwhile survival is already past the break-point.

Thomas Beavitt's avatar

Nick Fuentes, who is surprisingly emerging as one of America's most rational commentators, just predicted nukes within the next two weeks. I can't say I disagree with him: it's really hard to see this going any other way. Iran has demonstrated escalation dominance up to a point, but up to the point of nuclear, it doesn't have that option. So, as much as I hate to say it, it should probably surrender now. I don't know what kind of international law will be possible after this, let alone morality etc. Bombing 150 schoolgirls to divert attention from elite visits to a paedophile island and then blaming the victims is pretty much as low as it can possibly get. After that, yeah, why not nuke an entire city like you did before. And if that doesn't work, nuke another one. Can humanity avoid this outcome? If so, how?

Parti's avatar

Hopefully the markets will stop Trump. With WTI at $110 and increasing by the hour, it's only a question when the markets will collapse. Nikkei is already minus 6% as we speak and the hlical economic crisis is kocking at the door. Buckle up people!

rakyat kecil's avatar

You forgot 1965 in Indonesia

Samuel Abraham's avatar

In return the haifa refinery and port have been targeted the haifa refinery is a massive inferno now. And Hindutva journalists who returned from there (they went there along with Modi and stayed back to watch the collapse of Iran/return of the messiah) report in Indian videos that are now subtitled that people are dying in bunkers 100 ft deep in Israel, Hospitals and morgues are full that they are turning away people. Moreover deaths are in hundreds if not thousands and state is hiding the reality while financial / technological losses are massive - he saw this first hand before the Israeli state asked him to evacuate as Mr Messiah now has to wait.

rakyat kecil's avatar

Have you any verification of those reports you made re Isreal??? Any links please Samuel if you have any?

Pramod's avatar

Samuel Abraham, the video clip you are alluding to, if I have understood correctly, is the innovation of a vernacular fringe news-channel operating from India which is known for very its hard-line anti-government posture and strong ties and sympathies with Turkey and radical clerics based in the Arabian peninsula. As of now, these forces are organised on a side diametrically inimical to the interests of Iran; hence this video, which does not furnish a single video or photograph to back its fatuous claim, and all it has to show for visuals is the dubious photo of a man purporting to be a devout Hindu, could be a public relations exercise sponsored by Gulf Arab countries which have an axe to grind against Iran and have interest in defaming Iran with implied allegations of having caused mass destruction with cluster bombs and a very high civilian death toll in Israel. The channel in question is at severe ideological odds with Hindutva factions, so it sounds highly unconvincing that journalists professing allegiance to "radical Hindutva ideology and wishing ill-luck upon Iran" as suggested by Mr Samuel would chose a manifestly anti-Hindu channel of all avenues in this world for airing their story.

On the other hand, direct reporting from Tel Aviv by a Muslim journalist named Rifat Abdullah, albeit from an American affiliated TV news channel (CNN-News 18) categorically claims that damage from Iranian strikes in civilian areas of Tel Aviv has been minimal, and that the missiles have largely been successfully intercepted, and that life goes on as usual on the streets without fear.

https://youtu.be/Y3P_pocyQ44?si=CJ8FJJsdzdTpvdm-

What the actual truth on the ground is, will be known for certainty only after the war has ended, and that too if Israel declassifies relevant footage, but until then, the "news" alluded to here by Mr Samuel in the form that it has originally appeared in a shady channel based in India, can safely be dismissed as unreliable at best and misleading war-propaganda sponsored by patrons based in Arab Gulf countries at worst.

Though Iran has officially made claims of having achieved big hits in Israel, those claims pertain strictly to strategic and military targets and Iran has never made a single claim resembling the bombastic civilian death toll count mentioned in the video alluded to by Mr Samuel. Further clarity will be forthcoming if relevant links to the source can be provided by someone because it is possible that I have mistaken the news channel alluded to by Mr Samuel Abraham for some other one.