I am afraid this Ukraine vs Poland 20th century confrontation will never be fully closed. A few days ago I watched the movie; Hatred, made in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volhynia_(film)
I did watch the whole movie but I would not want to do it again. It was a horrifying dimension of true history.
"Several dozen Ukrainians and a handful Belarusians were detained and will now be deported."
Deportation proceedings were started, but I'm somewhat skeptical about all Ukrainians to be deported in the end. So far, the EU was protecting Ukrainian males from being forced to go back to their country and risk getting killed on the eastern front.
I share your skepticism and might follow up with a separate piece if it turns out that they're not all deported for whatever reason. I might miss the news though, I follow a lot of events across dozens of countries, so please share any updates here if you come across them.
If the war ends badly for Ukraine and its economy and currency collapse along with its armed forces, Europe will probably face the worst refugee crisis in its history.
You are arguing Putin wanted peace and then he allowed BoJo to undermine the agreement he was prepared to make with Zelensky!! That’s on Putin!!
But guess what? There is no truth to your argument because Putin’s objective has always been to make Ukraine a part of the Russian empire…while Ukraine wants to be a member of the West.
Yep, the straw the broke the camel’s back was Trump bringing North Macedonia into NATO in order to please Melania…I think it was part of the prenup renegotiation to get her to agree to stay with him to run in 2020 and to continue to allow her parents to live with them and raise Baron.
Sorry it's such a huge URL. It's clear to see how bias Gemini basic is and almost justifies the Volyn massacre as nothing to do with Banderites. I am v. disappointed with this response and we should all take note of google AI response for future reference and use it cautiously.
Thank you for a great article Andrew, I had no idea this had even happened. I am disgusted with Tusk but then the day has a Y in it, he has always disgusted me as a politician.
It seems like Ukraine and Poland have the same scenario and Palestine and Israel. I suspect though Poland isn’t going screw around and is done being generous. Any Ukrainian that dodged military service should be looked upon as weak and sent back to Ukraine labeled a coward. It should be a stain they keep for the rest of their lives.
America inexplicably wanted Cubans that were pussies and ran from Castro as citizens!?! We lost two wars because pussy Cubans that entered America illegally voted for George W Bish!! WTF???
There’s no credible evidence of military-aged Ukrainian men residing in Poland with strong anti-Polish sentiment, much less as extremists or security threats. Nothing suggests Ukrainians in Poland are being recruited for anti-Polish extremist causes.
There are, however, well documented disinformation campaigns aimed at smearing Ukrainian refugees, in order to manipulate public opinion and political discourse .
Cool framing. The Polish government is "furious" alright - at putin's provocateurs. Not the lone moron. Belarusian performer with 60K fans. I wonder how this could have happened.
Love that most of your references are to your own content.
" Many military-aged Ukrainian men in Poland are anti-Polish extremists who pose a latent security threat. "
Andrew, your next article should be on the millions of Middle Eastern and African , military aged men being intentionally flooded into Europe and starting to trickle into Poland. Who's behind it , what is the agenda ?
We have a linguistic shortcoming here; We simple do not have a single term, a word to describe major past atrocities that set off occasional reactions that come to the surface like a tsunami, remembered for centuries. I am talking about events like the Holodomor, the waves of Red Army atrocities, rapes and murders committed against European civilians in the last years of WWII, the 1572 Paris St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, the communist revenge terror during and after the 1956 Hungarian Revolution, the 13th century Mongolian invasions into Europe, the Armenian genocide by Ottomans (1915–1916), etc, etc.
R.J. Rummel coined the word ‘Democide’ but it seems this word was intended for situations where a government kills its own citizens.
Kennewick? Skeletal remains found on an ancient camp site in Oregon??? Taken to Smithsonian and cemented over to prevent knowledge of pre Tribal American Indigenous peoples.
James, are you talking about the skeletal remains of Kennewick Man?
I am not familiar with any cementing over process by Smithsonian scientists. In fact the Smithsonian scientists who participated in this whole process actually risked their jobs by taking the government to court in order to secure an opportunity to study the bones and to a great degree they were successful. Here is an interview with Dr. Douglas Owsley, a forensic anthropologist. He was a major drive in the study of the Kennewick Man skeleton. He is a world class scientist in his field. His record and prior work literally scared the government lawyers into submission during the court case.
Also, please show me the definition ‘Democide’ that covers my concept.
‘Democide’ is specific to a government committing atrocities toward their own people. We need a word to cover atrocities committed to other nationalities also by governments and/or ethnic groups.
As usual the German language comes across superior in meaning-specific words. Geschichtstrauma, that is Historical trauma, seems to be coming closest to the meaning I was looking for. It is either that or an intentional expansion of the meaning of Professor Rummel’s term: Democide.
Cultural trauma, transgenerational trauma, collective memory, historical grievance.
German language has lots of cool words. Here you go ... But maybe too self-directed for you.
“Vergangenheitsbewältigung” = coming to terms with the past, a uniquely German term referring to the long, sometimes eruptive process of grappling with historical atrocities (especially the Nazi period). This one involves feeling guilt.
I am afraid this Ukraine vs Poland 20th century confrontation will never be fully closed. A few days ago I watched the movie; Hatred, made in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volhynia_(film)
I did watch the whole movie but I would not want to do it again. It was a horrifying dimension of true history.
"Several dozen Ukrainians and a handful Belarusians were detained and will now be deported."
Deportation proceedings were started, but I'm somewhat skeptical about all Ukrainians to be deported in the end. So far, the EU was protecting Ukrainian males from being forced to go back to their country and risk getting killed on the eastern front.
I share your skepticism and might follow up with a separate piece if it turns out that they're not all deported for whatever reason. I might miss the news though, I follow a lot of events across dozens of countries, so please share any updates here if you come across them.
If the war ends badly for Ukraine and its economy and currency collapse along with its armed forces, Europe will probably face the worst refugee crisis in its history.
Yeah, Putin let BoJo get the best of him!! How much Costco vodka have you had tonight??? 🥃 😆
You are arguing Putin wanted peace and then he allowed BoJo to undermine the agreement he was prepared to make with Zelensky!! That’s on Putin!!
But guess what? There is no truth to your argument because Putin’s objective has always been to make Ukraine a part of the Russian empire…while Ukraine wants to be a member of the West.
Yep, the straw the broke the camel’s back was Trump bringing North Macedonia into NATO in order to please Melania…I think it was part of the prenup renegotiation to get her to agree to stay with him to run in 2020 and to continue to allow her parents to live with them and raise Baron.
I thought I'd go see what google had to say about it. I wanted to find out how the Polish press had covered it - here's the (basic, not Gemini direct) response from the questions https://www.google.com/search?q=poland+Bandera+flags+waves+at+concert&rlz=1C1JJTC_en-GBGB1159GB1159&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORigATIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRiPAjIHCAMQIRiPAtIBCjE2NDA5ajBqMTWoAgiwAgHxBX6dW2AImtYl8QV-nVtgCJrWJQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&udm=50&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeuYzzFkfneXafNx6OMdA4MQRJc_t_TQjwHYrzlkIauOKKs0YI23S9EeDMNq-iJuNE9kbk_tqcCBI4NkmSFsStjt6Mv7hIR3wjnu8XeRZotyDwTh1QSFQh3gP-Ae1Bh5fGNTM9apc16tb7NWffCxrQg7BRkJoVh1tIIdgN-rh6_tkGJFqnA&ved=2ahUKEwiYrt2zgpmPAxVH48kDHVZXBSkQ0NsOegQIAxAB&aep=10&ntc=1&mstk=AUtExfC3DVrIKkV-5bi0usXuVDCP9qB12u6wPB_2dFNgNGj5-T_eAZpbsBIRqNH408IgadlrZI4a2pa3xgAQU2vy2ZiroASset-V27Hh2d9-d8yHax1eD7LsUCYJoOePtpWCPmV8dAj99nTodZzjjZUvPERNuesfcN07aJU4v6Lzk_5k2kV4muGg9y_BWil-QMK_H4V8jwIeX3GHpX8UgjoN2ZpISWHH5AtWl2-ZSWkdhil8Qx4mKUiPkxPGVQ&csuir=1
Sorry it's such a huge URL. It's clear to see how bias Gemini basic is and almost justifies the Volyn massacre as nothing to do with Banderites. I am v. disappointed with this response and we should all take note of google AI response for future reference and use it cautiously.
Thank you for a great article Andrew, I had no idea this had even happened. I am disgusted with Tusk but then the day has a Y in it, he has always disgusted me as a politician.
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It seems like Ukraine and Poland have the same scenario and Palestine and Israel. I suspect though Poland isn’t going screw around and is done being generous. Any Ukrainian that dodged military service should be looked upon as weak and sent back to Ukraine labeled a coward. It should be a stain they keep for the rest of their lives.
America inexplicably wanted Cubans that were pussies and ran from Castro as citizens!?! We lost two wars because pussy Cubans that entered America illegally voted for George W Bish!! WTF???
I've been talking about this for years. https://gwydionmadawc.com/my-blogs/ukraine-the-current-conflict/.
Just blogged about historic hatreds, https://mrgwydionmwilliams.quora.com/Civil-War-in-the-Ukraine-that-Lenin-made
There’s no credible evidence of military-aged Ukrainian men residing in Poland with strong anti-Polish sentiment, much less as extremists or security threats. Nothing suggests Ukrainians in Poland are being recruited for anti-Polish extremist causes.
There are, however, well documented disinformation campaigns aimed at smearing Ukrainian refugees, in order to manipulate public opinion and political discourse .
Any stick to beat a dog. Tusk knows full well what his masters in Brussels and Washington want to hear.
European problems belong to you.
Cool framing. The Polish government is "furious" alright - at putin's provocateurs. Not the lone moron. Belarusian performer with 60K fans. I wonder how this could have happened.
Love that most of your references are to your own content.
" Many military-aged Ukrainian men in Poland are anti-Polish extremists who pose a latent security threat. "
Andrew, your next article should be on the millions of Middle Eastern and African , military aged men being intentionally flooded into Europe and starting to trickle into Poland. Who's behind it , what is the agenda ?
We have a linguistic shortcoming here; We simple do not have a single term, a word to describe major past atrocities that set off occasional reactions that come to the surface like a tsunami, remembered for centuries. I am talking about events like the Holodomor, the waves of Red Army atrocities, rapes and murders committed against European civilians in the last years of WWII, the 1572 Paris St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, the communist revenge terror during and after the 1956 Hungarian Revolution, the 13th century Mongolian invasions into Europe, the Armenian genocide by Ottomans (1915–1916), etc, etc.
R.J. Rummel coined the word ‘Democide’ but it seems this word was intended for situations where a government kills its own citizens.
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https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/PERSONAL.HTM
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Kennewick? Skeletal remains found on an ancient camp site in Oregon??? Taken to Smithsonian and cemented over to prevent knowledge of pre Tribal American Indigenous peoples.
James, are you talking about the skeletal remains of Kennewick Man?
I am not familiar with any cementing over process by Smithsonian scientists. In fact the Smithsonian scientists who participated in this whole process actually risked their jobs by taking the government to court in order to secure an opportunity to study the bones and to a great degree they were successful. Here is an interview with Dr. Douglas Owsley, a forensic anthropologist. He was a major drive in the study of the Kennewick Man skeleton. He is a world class scientist in his field. His record and prior work literally scared the government lawyers into submission during the court case.
https://scahome.org/page-18442
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Also, please show me the definition ‘Democide’ that covers my concept.
‘Democide’ is specific to a government committing atrocities toward their own people. We need a word to cover atrocities committed to other nationalities also by governments and/or ethnic groups.
Vergangenheitsbewältigung
Geschichtstrauma
Thanks for the help for all of you.
As usual the German language comes across superior in meaning-specific words. Geschichtstrauma, that is Historical trauma, seems to be coming closest to the meaning I was looking for. It is either that or an intentional expansion of the meaning of Professor Rummel’s term: Democide.
Nostalgia does not fit the subject.
The word does not seem to cover the concept I am looking for: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cataclysm
Cultural trauma, transgenerational trauma, collective memory, historical grievance.
German language has lots of cool words. Here you go ... But maybe too self-directed for you.
“Vergangenheitsbewältigung” = coming to terms with the past, a uniquely German term referring to the long, sometimes eruptive process of grappling with historical atrocities (especially the Nazi period). This one involves feeling guilt.
“Erinnerungskultur” (memory culture)
“Opfergedenken” (victims’ remembrance)
“Geschichtsbewusstsein” (historical consciousness)