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Feral Finster's avatar

I suppose 5he obvious clue would be in NATO activity along the Byelorussian border.

Since, if you think that NATO has no inkling and will stand idly by, then you are smoking something fierce.

Then again, considering how Russia got caught flatfooted by the Kursk incursion on their own border, their ISR is clearly in need of serious upgrades.

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"The stage is therefore set for opening up another front on this false pretext if Kiev has the political will to do so."

I don't think Kiev has any political will at this point, if they ever did. At least not in the grand scheme of things. I mean, we know who set this all up, and it wasn't them. They just bought into the program, mostly for personal gain. I doubt there are any real patriots at the top. Have there ever been since 1991?

Increasingly we're hearing the narrative that Ukraine has jumped the shark - that they're acting without authority, which begs the question of who's actually in charge. This seems like a set up to absolve the true authors of any responsibility for what happens next.

Assuming there are a least a few competent strategists on the Atlanticist side (Andrei Martyanov seems to think not) and given that it's obvious Ukraine is losing, then (thinking like them) how do you turn defeat into victory, or at least some kind of stalemate? My first thought is to create the conditions whereby Russia is forced to occupy the entire country. That sets the stage for something similar to what the USSR had to deal with post the GPW - a persistent insurgency that took 10 years to stamp out.

Obviously Russia would seek to avoid this, their best scenario being a rebellion within the UK population, but how likely is that? How many of the people who voted for Yanukovych would (or could) get behind that? If you look at the electoral map from 2010, Russia has only captured half of the territory where Y had the majority. Or have those people fled already? I have no idea.

An internal revolt of some sort, followed by a declaration of complete neutrality and a renunciation of any further engagement with NATO would be the only acceptable outcome for Russia, correct? That would have to come with a commitment on Russia's part to rebuild what they've destroyed. That would place a huge economic burden on Russia, so it might be acceptable to the Atlanticists, but given how quickly Russia recovered from previous sanctions, maybe not?

Opening up another front doesn't help Ukraine this late in the game. What's the point of holding a tiny piece of Russia or Belarus that eventually you won't be able to supply, while the Russian army takes most of the south, including probably Odessa? Not to mention dividing your forces creates a power vacuum all the way to the Polish border. Tempting to just drive on through if you're Russia, but now you're taking the whole cake basically, which is what you want to avoid.

Russia clearly has the means to roll this whole thing up, but they clearly don't want to do that, and the Atlanticists know that. They'd also do everything in their power to suppress the kind of uprising I suggested, as that would play to Russia's hand.

Where does this go from here? It seems like most observers are caught up in the day to day minutia - this village captured, that tank destroyed, and so on. I can't listen to it anymore. I just don't see the point when Russian victory is a forgone conclusion. I just want to know what form that will take.

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