Downplaying this crime and suggesting that Poles are Russia’s useful idiots for remembering it can galvanize them in support of a much harder line towards Ukraine than anything that’s come before.
ukrabanderites are bandits to the bones. they do not respect anyone. in fact ukrabanderites exterminated 250,000 Poles, and I can confirm this because my Family suffered in Lutsk.
I'm very sorry to hear about what happened to your family. My great-grandfather was from Kamieniec Podolski and left for Poland in 1920, where he then lived in Tarnopol for some time before moving to Krakow some years later, where he died in the early 1930s.
I fear what would have happened to him had he lived during the war and stayed in Tarnopol or the surrounding regions. That's one of the reasons why I feel so strongly about this issue since it could also have been my family who might have been genocided too.
"Institute of National Remembrance, which has done more than any other entity in the world to raise the widest possible awareness of the Volhynia Genocide"
That's not completely accurate. Various grassroot groups kept the memory of Volhynia Genocide alive against resistance of both PiS and PO (two wings of the Polish ruling duopoly). Calls for exhumations were resited and the subject was marginalized in the mainstream media. Only the recent rise in power of the right wing, i.e. Konfederacja and KKP, exerted more pressure for action. Ukrainian responses to this topic were always highly insulting, but Polish ruling classes, calling themselves servants of Ukraine, always responded with more servitude.
I agree that Ukrainians perpetrating these ethnic massacres were horrible. But weren't the Germans who had the complete military and civilian oversight in these areas at that time just as complicit in these massacres? Why are we not discussing them too?
Anyway, good for Poland that Nawrocki won. Now we just need to see how the elections in Czechia will go? Babis?
6 August. The 80th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. What an appropriate day for Ukraine's neighbor to inaugurate a guy who has had enough of Banderite horseshit.
My Great Grandparents immigrated from Poland. They had nine kids and it wasn’t easy as my Great Grandfather went awol when he arrived in the US. My GreatMother raised those 9 kids in a tiny apartment and never spoke a word of English. Each of her sons enlisted and fought in WWII. That would be 6 btw. Not trying to give a family history but polish people are a proud people and they don’t forget easily. Forgiveness is even harder depending on how close you are to your religion. If you cross a polish person don’t expect to do it twice. I’m happy Poland is finally realizing the strength they can have in European affairs and now are using it. Ukraine is going to be flattened anyway so might as well cut their losses. They should also kick out those who have had safe harbor while this war goes on. Have to take care of number one and that is the motherland and its citizens.
I consider World War II to have been a tragedy in which all relevant countries contributed, some inadvertently like Poland and the USSR and others purposely like Germany and arguably the UK, so pinning the blame on just a single one is very unfair.
Moreover, the standard of dismissing all indisputable war crimes committed against one side's civilians throughout the course of hostilities that someone blames the victims' government for sparking is equally unfair, and it can be applied towards all countries.
I have no idea where you're from and you don't have to disclose it if you're uncomfortable, but unless you're an ideologically radical psychopath, I'm certain that you'd aggressively object towards others dismissing indisputable war crimes against your compatriots in the past.
For instance, my view is that those who blame the German Nazis for sparking World War II shouldn't celebrate indisputable war crimes against German civilians, just like those who lay equal blame upon the USSR shouldn't do the same towards their civilians.
This notion that nobody should "complain" about the genocide of Poles just because of your subjective conclusion that their government was guilty of sparking World War II is blatantly bigoted and you'll be blocked if you double down because it's unacceptable.
It's not about the claim that Poland started WWII, I'm familiar with it and don't care whether anyone agrees with it, but your corollary that this supposedly means that nobody should "complain" about what happened to Polish civilians afterwards. That's blatant bigotry and you're blocked.
ukrabanderites are bandits to the bones. they do not respect anyone. in fact ukrabanderites exterminated 250,000 Poles, and I can confirm this because my Family suffered in Lutsk.
I'm very sorry to hear about what happened to your family. My great-grandfather was from Kamieniec Podolski and left for Poland in 1920, where he then lived in Tarnopol for some time before moving to Krakow some years later, where he died in the early 1930s.
I fear what would have happened to him had he lived during the war and stayed in Tarnopol or the surrounding regions. That's one of the reasons why I feel so strongly about this issue since it could also have been my family who might have been genocided too.
I don't know a single Polish family that didn't suffer at the hands of the Ukrainians.
Doesn't matter, some minor American functionary snaps his fingers and Poles drop the matter like a dog caught chewing a slipper.
"Institute of National Remembrance, which has done more than any other entity in the world to raise the widest possible awareness of the Volhynia Genocide"
That's not completely accurate. Various grassroot groups kept the memory of Volhynia Genocide alive against resistance of both PiS and PO (two wings of the Polish ruling duopoly). Calls for exhumations were resited and the subject was marginalized in the mainstream media. Only the recent rise in power of the right wing, i.e. Konfederacja and KKP, exerted more pressure for action. Ukrainian responses to this topic were always highly insulting, but Polish ruling classes, calling themselves servants of Ukraine, always responded with more servitude.
The only question is whom the Americans like best at the moment.
This should add a big chunk to "we have had enough of them" in Poland.
Something which I saw last year in Poland... kinda like "we hate Ruskies for x and y reasons but Ukros invited this upon themselves"
I agree that Ukrainians perpetrating these ethnic massacres were horrible. But weren't the Germans who had the complete military and civilian oversight in these areas at that time just as complicit in these massacres? Why are we not discussing them too?
Anyway, good for Poland that Nawrocki won. Now we just need to see how the elections in Czechia will go? Babis?
I don't think the Germans have denied that the genocide happened, or refused to take responsibility for their role in it.
it's too early.
Give it a few years and it may change... as with Victory day,
6 August. The 80th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. What an appropriate day for Ukraine's neighbor to inaugurate a guy who has had enough of Banderite horseshit.
My Great Grandparents immigrated from Poland. They had nine kids and it wasn’t easy as my Great Grandfather went awol when he arrived in the US. My GreatMother raised those 9 kids in a tiny apartment and never spoke a word of English. Each of her sons enlisted and fought in WWII. That would be 6 btw. Not trying to give a family history but polish people are a proud people and they don’t forget easily. Forgiveness is even harder depending on how close you are to your religion. If you cross a polish person don’t expect to do it twice. I’m happy Poland is finally realizing the strength they can have in European affairs and now are using it. Ukraine is going to be flattened anyway so might as well cut their losses. They should also kick out those who have had safe harbor while this war goes on. Have to take care of number one and that is the motherland and its citizens.
I consider World War II to have been a tragedy in which all relevant countries contributed, some inadvertently like Poland and the USSR and others purposely like Germany and arguably the UK, so pinning the blame on just a single one is very unfair.
Moreover, the standard of dismissing all indisputable war crimes committed against one side's civilians throughout the course of hostilities that someone blames the victims' government for sparking is equally unfair, and it can be applied towards all countries.
I have no idea where you're from and you don't have to disclose it if you're uncomfortable, but unless you're an ideologically radical psychopath, I'm certain that you'd aggressively object towards others dismissing indisputable war crimes against your compatriots in the past.
For instance, my view is that those who blame the German Nazis for sparking World War II shouldn't celebrate indisputable war crimes against German civilians, just like those who lay equal blame upon the USSR shouldn't do the same towards their civilians.
This notion that nobody should "complain" about the genocide of Poles just because of your subjective conclusion that their government was guilty of sparking World War II is blatantly bigoted and you'll be blocked if you double down because it's unacceptable.
It's not about the claim that Poland started WWII, I'm familiar with it and don't care whether anyone agrees with it, but your corollary that this supposedly means that nobody should "complain" about what happened to Polish civilians afterwards. That's blatant bigotry and you're blocked.
Andrew: Have you been to the WW2 Museum in Gdansk ?