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Zach's avatar

The E3's talk interests are purely performative.

It's hard to imagine what compromise they are willing to make.

Feral Finster's avatar

Since the talks are merely another go at stringing Russia along, why does it matter?

For it's part, Russia plays the role of the dumb girl who wants fo believe. "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow?"

barnabus's avatar

I agree - I don't see what E3 can offer. Poland obviously can offer nothing.

Walter DuBlanica's avatar

Poland realizes that Russia is FAR more importent then the E3. E3 have been Polands enemies. Russia is SLAVIC as is Poland . SLAVS shoud join together for their common GOOD. Slavs are about 70% of Europe. Poland make the Move toward Russia aall SLAVS.

Darras's avatar

don't really see what the Europeans have to bring to the debate. Especially the English. They have nothing positive to offer. They only have the money they stole from the Russians and their cowardly capacity for nuisance. Especially the English. Their only possible asset on the scale would be the offer of a total reversal of alliances, the expulsion of the USA from Europe, and the building of a security architecture based on common interests. That is what Putin has always offered, what Schröder negotiated, and the very foundation of Gaullist doctrine for 68 years (and even since 1943, when Stalin imposed de Gaulle and Free France as the sole interlocutor, to the impotent fury of the Anglo‑Saxons). But I don't see the current trio of assholes having the nerve, the courage, the intelligence, and the authority to embark on that path. Consequently, Putin will conspicuously despise the Three Stooges, just as he has just publicly despised Zelensky's letter. Regarding the European mediation offer, he will disdain it and will answer by addressing his soldiers: 'Brothers, to work!"

Feral Finster's avatar

It doesn't matter whether the europeans have the right or not. It doesn't matter whether the british stole from Russia or not.

What matters is power. The british are robbers, granted. What does Russia propose to do about it?

M Steck's avatar

Would it not be better for Poland to make a separate security agreement (non-aggression pact) with Belarus and Russia than to hitch their wagon to the useless E3?

Darras's avatar

When you're polite, you say Volodia. Vlad is for Vladislav.

Love never fails's avatar

The E3 are proof of the EU’s absurdity. It claims to be democratic. For that to be true, it would be important for the European grassroots to at least be able to trust their leaders. Instead, 500 million people watch an elitist circle squabble.

It stands to reason that Putin cannot take them seriously—even though he has to.

How can such an incompetent bunch—devoid of a spiritual home, acting as vassals to the (still) old hegemon, and clinging to structures from two centuries ago—hope to be a serious negotiating partner?

It might be better for Poland to distance itself from the E3 rather than trying to curry favor and elbow its way to the table. After all, the European side at that table is incapable of effective mediation. Poland can handle that on its own, given its geographical position.

Yesterday at the SPIEF, Putin gave a response to a German dpa journalist that was both brief and profound—one that, in my view, has a chance of going down in the history books, not least because he delivered it clearly in German:

"That is the problem... Martin."

Darras's avatar

UK is even not in EU.

Love never fails's avatar

When I look at the operations against Russia, the difference no longer matters to me. They are equally devious. Both take pride in murdering civilians. There is no shame.

Feral Finster's avatar

None of that matters. It works.

Similarly, decrying the spiritual emptiness of europeans is pointless. A predator doesn't need a rich spiritual life to kill prey.

ironicskeptic's avatar

«domain as regards Western talks with Russia is therefore on the verge of becoming Europe’s – particularly the E3 of France, Germany, and the UK [...] Poland must soon decide what to do.»

As usual “Europe [...] France, Germany, and the UK [...] Poland” are words denoting generic abstractions and the subjects of international politics are not generic abstractions but specific groups of power so using these words may be a mistake.

The globalist factions within the E3 and Poland do pretend to defy the policies of the consolidationist faction of the USA that id doing the same as the globalist faction of the USA but that does not mean that their policies are independent of the USA being simply a reflection of those the USA globalist faction of which they are vassals.

It would be indeed truly momentous if the elites of France, Germany and UK forgot the lesson of Suez and the Wolfowitz doctrine and presumptuously thought that they could have a regional foreign policy independent of that of their "sponsors" in the USA, but they simply do not "have the cards" to do that.

This is pretty obvious as they are not doing anything to actually increase the power of their states; even the promises of spending more on the military are mostly vacuous as the endless war propaganda about the war with Russia seems just meant to justify phase 1 of first cut spending on welfare then second spend more on military where phase 2 will not happen and will be replaced with tax cuts to "increase employment".

«the US steps back to focus more on Iran, the Indo-Pacific, and the Western Hemisphere.»

That “steps back” does not seem to me the policy of the USA consolidationists for Europe and Russia: their actual policy is to make the europeans *pay more* for being controlled by the USA elites, not to reduce that control. For example the USA are still supplying Ukraine with large amounts of weapons, now they are simply paid by the european states, so those merely *look* like european contributions.

Seattle Ecomodernist Society's avatar

Engage bilaterally

Mediocrates's avatar

Putin should take Iran's lead and refuse to discuss anything with anyone until his demands for Donbas's autonomy and Ukraine's de-militarisation are met by Ukraine alone. Then he may talk exclusively with Zelenskyy (or his replacement) to discuss the technicalities required to activate the cessation of hostilities, exchange of prisoners, definition of lines of demarkation and future mutually beneficial co-operative arrangements between Russia and Ukraine alone. That will give Trump the off-ramp he desperately needs. Mertz, Starmer and Macron can then return to their own bailiwicks and attend to their own problems.

Darras's avatar
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How do you say "cuckold" in Polish?

Cuckolds of Swedish, cuckolds of Austrians, cuckolds of Russians, cuckolds of French, cuckolds of Germans, cuckolds of English.

They like it or what?

When will Poles understand definitely that for western Europeans they are "only" Slavians. They can be catholic, that doesn't matter, they are SLA-VIANS, others, inferiors, kind of snow "niggers". They will never belong to the club. Never.

They better ally with Russia. But Russians too have to show more respect for them. It seems they treat Poles like English treated Irish still in the 70's.

Feral Finster's avatar

Poles know all that full well. They're happy to be slaves.