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Regis Tremblay's avatar

Some very good points, Andrew. But, Russia cannot and will not settle for a stalemate and be happy with some kind of truce. Were that to happen, Putin and the Russian military command would lose all credibility. 1) Demilitarize Ukraine. 2) Denazify Ukraine, and 3) ensure a NATO free, neutral state. Admittedly, the Ukrainian national army has been destroyed. This is a US NATO force that is carrying the fight. If Russia does not now understand that this is an existential fight for its survival, then it loses no matter the spin. Any kind of stalemate or "deal" does not solve Russia's security demands. the US and NATO will not stop until they are defeated on the ground. If Russia loses this fight, no one can talk about Russia's "leadership" in the global transition to a multipolar world. This is a fight not only for Russia's survival, but for humanity.

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Lloyd Decker's avatar

Unlike you, I have been around since the actual Cold War. I have heard plenty of Russian propaganda in my time and those fanciful pronouncements are no more true now than they were then. However, it did teach me how to spot a propagandist. Propagandists are not permitted independent thought or to stray from the party line. Let us see if this describes you.

Here are the facts.

0. Ukraine was never a threat to Russia in any sense.

1. Ukraine's government is ideologically benign, democratically elected and supported by the vast majority of Ukrainian citizens, including the majority of Russian speakers.

2. NATO has perfectly legitimate reasons that have nothing to do with animus against Russia for supporting said government militarily.

3. Ukraine wants to be an independent country, not a Russian vassal like Belarus.

4. Ukraine will accept neutrality or demilitarization but not both. It will be protected by either NATO's article 5 or by a military capable of defeating Russian aggression but not both.

5. Ukraine will give up Crimea and Donbas but no more.

6. Russia has suffered significant casualties, reputational damage and other real harm due to this war and can ill afford it being prolonged much further.

You should be able to consider these facts and use them to come up with policy proposals that could actually get Russia out of this mess that they have created. It truthfully is not hard at all. Yet, not a single pro-Russian site has been willing or capable of doing so. The reason for this is that that they are mere propagandists. Let us see if you are any more or better.

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