The fast-moving sequence of diplomatic events that followed the release of China’s peace plan on Friday – Russia’s praise of it, Zelensky’s unexpected interest, his announcement that he hopes to soon meet President Xi, and then Lukashenko’s trip to Beijing next week – extends credence to this prediction. The very fact that the Ukrainian leader didn’t dismiss it outright like his American counterpart and other Western ones did is worthy of explanation since it defied many observers’ predictions.
Having read the 12 points plan proposed by China, it is immediately visible why the US rejected it outright, but why Russia approved it, and why Ukraine tentatively showed interest.
1. The US will never voluntarily accept any limitation on its criminal powers - whether of warmongering or destroying other countries with its completely illegal, criminal and genocidal sanctions. This Global SuperTerrorist will have to be forced by a drastic damage to its powers by the DeDollarization much of the Global South is moving to, which will have a serious impact on its ability to fund weapons, wars and bases. And by changed realities on the 'ground' - defeats on the various battlefields it is engaging in.
2. Russia is interested because the points call for the rule of the UN Charter, which the US never abides by - because so far no one has been able to impose any international law on the Global 'unipower', declining though it is. And because it calls for 'cancellation' of the criminal sanctions the US and its NATO vassals plus most countries of the Global South have been bullied, bribed, threatened etc to accept. Potentially it means a 'refund' of the $300 billion in Russian reserves stolen by the US and Europe. Is it likely the US will agree to this...?
3. Ukraine shows interest because the points also include respect for national sovereignty and borders, which Kyiv wants to interpret as meaning the return of Donbass and Crimea to Ukraine. Is Russia likely to let these vital regions be returned to the CIA-Nazi-infested state, even with guarantees they know they cannot trust the West to honour?
Despite a plan that no one except the Global SuperCriminal US would find reason to disagree with, the above facts make it highly unlikely the plan will succeed. As Korbyko suggests, the coming spring will provide 'fodder' to evaluate which of the upcoming offensives - Russian or US-NATO using Ukraine - has the upper hand. This is an existential struggle for the survival of Russia, the continuing of China as a world economic power, and the 'struggle' of the Global SuperCriminal US and its Western vassals to continue to 'rule' the world by rape and plunder through the empire of a thousand military bases. But the dedollarization and various moves of defiance by the Global South strongly suggest the sun is setting on the 500 year history of imperial and colonial crimes by the US-led West. Aka multipolarity.
Do you think there can be a peace agreement after the rhetoric that's been used ie; Putin is Hitler, Merkel & Allande claiming Minsk was a bad faith sham, various Russians describing the conflict as "existential"?
I can't see the US renouncing it's claim over Ukraine, and surely Russia can't tolerate a belligerent neighbour?
First of all, he dismissed the plan saying that is not a peace plan it's just "China's thoughts". Secondly he said, he won't negociate any plan that is not considering 91 borders. He wants to meet Xi though, not sure what he has in mind but it seems nothing has changed in his "peace conditions".
That's your skeptical interpretation, which is your right to express, but is discredited by him cautiously praising it, the aforesaid being accurately reported by anti-Chinese US media to their credit, and Zelensky wanting to meet with President Xi to discuss this more in detail.
To interpret Zelensky's reaction as "dismissing" it just like Biden did is inaccurate and the result of either deliberately dishonest trolling or a flawed perception of the differences between his response and his US counterpart's, either of which resulted in you sharing an inaccurate assessment.
I'll also add that it's either due to dishonesty or flawed perceptions of everything that you consider Lukashenko and Macron's upcoming trips to Beijing next week and in early April respectively as irrelevant to the larger context that I wrote about.
Again, it's your right, but sometimes when I see folks sharing something so flat-out false in the comments section, I feel compelled to correct them if I have the time to do so.
ok, no worries. I can assure you is not dishonesty. It was my honest impression after I read some of Zelensky statements with the occasion of the 24 anniversary
Impo china's is not a "peace plan" at all, it is more a "position paper"; still China is the only country capable to break a deal between nato and russia. but the nodal point is the meaning of "territorial integrity",.
Call it what you want. For ordinary Ukrainians and Russians, peace means no more death and destruction. When the sensible and Sovereign World completes it's de-dollarisation, then everyone under Uncle Sams thumb can go back to normal life (i.e. reap what you sow).
Having read the 12 points plan proposed by China, it is immediately visible why the US rejected it outright, but why Russia approved it, and why Ukraine tentatively showed interest.
1. The US will never voluntarily accept any limitation on its criminal powers - whether of warmongering or destroying other countries with its completely illegal, criminal and genocidal sanctions. This Global SuperTerrorist will have to be forced by a drastic damage to its powers by the DeDollarization much of the Global South is moving to, which will have a serious impact on its ability to fund weapons, wars and bases. And by changed realities on the 'ground' - defeats on the various battlefields it is engaging in.
2. Russia is interested because the points call for the rule of the UN Charter, which the US never abides by - because so far no one has been able to impose any international law on the Global 'unipower', declining though it is. And because it calls for 'cancellation' of the criminal sanctions the US and its NATO vassals plus most countries of the Global South have been bullied, bribed, threatened etc to accept. Potentially it means a 'refund' of the $300 billion in Russian reserves stolen by the US and Europe. Is it likely the US will agree to this...?
3. Ukraine shows interest because the points also include respect for national sovereignty and borders, which Kyiv wants to interpret as meaning the return of Donbass and Crimea to Ukraine. Is Russia likely to let these vital regions be returned to the CIA-Nazi-infested state, even with guarantees they know they cannot trust the West to honour?
Despite a plan that no one except the Global SuperCriminal US would find reason to disagree with, the above facts make it highly unlikely the plan will succeed. As Korbyko suggests, the coming spring will provide 'fodder' to evaluate which of the upcoming offensives - Russian or US-NATO using Ukraine - has the upper hand. This is an existential struggle for the survival of Russia, the continuing of China as a world economic power, and the 'struggle' of the Global SuperCriminal US and its Western vassals to continue to 'rule' the world by rape and plunder through the empire of a thousand military bases. But the dedollarization and various moves of defiance by the Global South strongly suggest the sun is setting on the 500 year history of imperial and colonial crimes by the US-led West. Aka multipolarity.
Do you think there can be a peace agreement after the rhetoric that's been used ie; Putin is Hitler, Merkel & Allande claiming Minsk was a bad faith sham, various Russians describing the conflict as "existential"?
I can't see the US renouncing it's claim over Ukraine, and surely Russia can't tolerate a belligerent neighbour?
"The very fact that the Ukrainian leader didn’t dismiss it outright like his American counterpart"
actually he dismissed it later yesterday:
Actually you're wrong:
https://thehill.com/policy/international/3873977-zelensky-shows-some-openness-to-chinas-cease-fire-proposal-the-question-is-what-follows-the-words/
First of all, he dismissed the plan saying that is not a peace plan it's just "China's thoughts". Secondly he said, he won't negociate any plan that is not considering 91 borders. He wants to meet Xi though, not sure what he has in mind but it seems nothing has changed in his "peace conditions".
That's your skeptical interpretation, which is your right to express, but is discredited by him cautiously praising it, the aforesaid being accurately reported by anti-Chinese US media to their credit, and Zelensky wanting to meet with President Xi to discuss this more in detail.
To interpret Zelensky's reaction as "dismissing" it just like Biden did is inaccurate and the result of either deliberately dishonest trolling or a flawed perception of the differences between his response and his US counterpart's, either of which resulted in you sharing an inaccurate assessment.
I'll also add that it's either due to dishonesty or flawed perceptions of everything that you consider Lukashenko and Macron's upcoming trips to Beijing next week and in early April respectively as irrelevant to the larger context that I wrote about.
Again, it's your right, but sometimes when I see folks sharing something so flat-out false in the comments section, I feel compelled to correct them if I have the time to do so.
ok, no worries. I can assure you is not dishonesty. It was my honest impression after I read some of Zelensky statements with the occasion of the 24 anniversary
ok
This happens when you are NOT a Sovereign country.
Impo china's is not a "peace plan" at all, it is more a "position paper"; still China is the only country capable to break a deal between nato and russia. but the nodal point is the meaning of "territorial integrity",.
Call it what you want. For ordinary Ukrainians and Russians, peace means no more death and destruction. When the sensible and Sovereign World completes it's de-dollarisation, then everyone under Uncle Sams thumb can go back to normal life (i.e. reap what you sow).