Great Arctic map, thanks. With the full control of Alaska and access to Greenland and Northern Canada the U.S. does not really need a license to go in there from anybody. Russia is dominant in Arctic exploration because of their already existing technological experiences geared to that environment. They are the only operators of giant nuclear icebreakers that move around breaking eight feet deep ice like a freight train. They routinely travel to the North Pole to visit Santa, they don’t even have to wait for Christmas. In a normal world economic competition has to be mitigated to a degree where we do not fight a nuclear war for every barrel of oil. And here comes the $666 Billion question: Which one is the nation that is presently excluding many oil producing nations from the international oil market?
Co-operative exploration of the natural resources of the Arctic region would be best served by an alliance consisting of representatives of ALL nations with recognised territories within the Arctic circle. ie, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, Russia, USA, Canada, Greenland (?Denmark) and excluding the EU, UN and NATO.
Anyone believing Putin won’t do what’s best for Russia is fooling themselves. Has anyone heard the line “there’s no honor among thieves?” The US is most definitely trying to drive a wedge between Russia and China and should this peace deal happen it’s most likely that wedge starts. Russia doing business with the US is a much better situation than China or Iran or N. Korea. Being allowed to sell to an open capitalist country easily Trumps a communist dictatorship any day. I don’t understand why people can’t see the deal that was signed 35 years ago by Russia and the US and NATO that has been broken several times most recently when Sweden and Finland were allowed to enter NATO which Finland being on the Russian border. There were also CIA maneuvers being conducted in the Ukraine for decades. Russia had seen enough so when Ukraine started getting ballsy and was talking about NATO membership that was a bridge too far. HISTORY. Heed it or be doomed to repeat it.
Putin literally said the opposite in his speech to the FSB last week:
"You see, and we all see how rapidly the world and the international situation are changing. In this regard, I would like to note that the first contacts with the new US administration inspire certain hopes. There is a reciprocal commitment to work to restore interstate relations and to gradually address the enormous amount of systemic and strategic problems in the global architecture which once provoked the crises in Ukraine and other regions.
Importantly, our partners demonstrate pragmatism and a realistic vision of things, and have abandoned numerous stereotypes, the so-called rules, and messianic, ideological clichés of their predecessors, which, in fact, caused the crisis of the entire system of international relations and, in fact, you and I can see it too, began to destroy the Western community itself from within. This is evidenced by problems in the economy and the domestic politics of many Western countries. We see it all. This is especially evident in the domestic political events unfolding in these countries."
The "non-agreement-capable" quip from some years back was relevant then, but just because something once was, doesn't mean that it still is nor that it always will be.
The US cannot be trusted, ever. They absolutely want to split Russia from China and have said as much. They also want Russia to sever ties between North Korea and Iran too. None of that will happen. This spate of diplomatic talks is about Russian oil and gas deals first and foremost.
Putin is the ultimate decider (constitutionally), but he is by no means an autocrat and he really has to pay attention to what the population has to say (remember the crow he had to eat when he was pushing for fast increase age of retirement and that didn't go well with the Russians at large? ) and what stavka has to say, what Duma has to say (and they are politicians that want to be re-elected), etc...
The only irritant in this situation is the U.S. The U.S. has to cease with its designs on Greenland and Canada. The U.S. has the least presence in the Artic but believes it's a Artic superpower.
That's delusional. The U.S. way of dealing with its lack of size is to stuff some tissues in its pants by taking over, Canada and Grefnland and doing so by annexation or force. It's Trump's threat of, we can do this the hard way or the easy way. It's a take down scenario.
That all sounds strangely like what the U.S. and its European/NATO allies/vassals were accusing the Russians of planning for Ukraine but Putin never said or acted upon as something he wanted.
If the U.S. really believes in the right of all nations to pick their allies then why would the U.S. be adverse to all 3 nations cooperating?
There's much technological prowess that China could bring to such an arrangement. The U.S. is just wanting to freeze China out and to seduce Russia into a false sense of security that will ensure it into a U.S. squeeze.
China doesn't have any land that borders the Artic but then neither does the U.S. have any land that borders Europe, Russia or Ukraine but that doesn't motivate the U.S. from poking its nose where it doesn't belong.
Russia and China must stick together. The Russians must not fall victim to the Anti-Kissinger maneuver that the U.S. is playing.
Trump says that his mission is to un-unite them and that is the only rationale for any of this. It is reason enough for Russia to not work with the U.S.
6. Look at the map. China never has, and never will, see the Arctic as within its sphere of influence. Those American warmongers are just looking for new ways to grift.
Great Arctic map, thanks. With the full control of Alaska and access to Greenland and Northern Canada the U.S. does not really need a license to go in there from anybody. Russia is dominant in Arctic exploration because of their already existing technological experiences geared to that environment. They are the only operators of giant nuclear icebreakers that move around breaking eight feet deep ice like a freight train. They routinely travel to the North Pole to visit Santa, they don’t even have to wait for Christmas. In a normal world economic competition has to be mitigated to a degree where we do not fight a nuclear war for every barrel of oil. And here comes the $666 Billion question: Which one is the nation that is presently excluding many oil producing nations from the international oil market?
Co-operative exploration of the natural resources of the Arctic region would be best served by an alliance consisting of representatives of ALL nations with recognised territories within the Arctic circle. ie, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, Russia, USA, Canada, Greenland (?Denmark) and excluding the EU, UN and NATO.
Anyone believing Putin won’t do what’s best for Russia is fooling themselves. Has anyone heard the line “there’s no honor among thieves?” The US is most definitely trying to drive a wedge between Russia and China and should this peace deal happen it’s most likely that wedge starts. Russia doing business with the US is a much better situation than China or Iran or N. Korea. Being allowed to sell to an open capitalist country easily Trumps a communist dictatorship any day. I don’t understand why people can’t see the deal that was signed 35 years ago by Russia and the US and NATO that has been broken several times most recently when Sweden and Finland were allowed to enter NATO which Finland being on the Russian border. There were also CIA maneuvers being conducted in the Ukraine for decades. Russia had seen enough so when Ukraine started getting ballsy and was talking about NATO membership that was a bridge too far. HISTORY. Heed it or be doomed to repeat it.
US not agreement capable. US doesn't want China using shipping lanes in the Arctic, under Russian protection.
Putin literally said the opposite in his speech to the FSB last week:
"You see, and we all see how rapidly the world and the international situation are changing. In this regard, I would like to note that the first contacts with the new US administration inspire certain hopes. There is a reciprocal commitment to work to restore interstate relations and to gradually address the enormous amount of systemic and strategic problems in the global architecture which once provoked the crises in Ukraine and other regions.
Importantly, our partners demonstrate pragmatism and a realistic vision of things, and have abandoned numerous stereotypes, the so-called rules, and messianic, ideological clichés of their predecessors, which, in fact, caused the crisis of the entire system of international relations and, in fact, you and I can see it too, began to destroy the Western community itself from within. This is evidenced by problems in the economy and the domestic politics of many Western countries. We see it all. This is especially evident in the domestic political events unfolding in these countries."
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/76338
The "non-agreement-capable" quip from some years back was relevant then, but just because something once was, doesn't mean that it still is nor that it always will be.
Did Trump tell Putin that US stoped having a hard on on China and is no longer upset for the Russia-China dalliance? I don't think so.
What happens when Orange Blob leaves the office in 2033 or 2029?
The next democrat can/will reverse and undo all that was done by Trump.
The US cannot be trusted, ever. They absolutely want to split Russia from China and have said as much. They also want Russia to sever ties between North Korea and Iran too. None of that will happen. This spate of diplomatic talks is about Russian oil and gas deals first and foremost.
You are correct, but Russia is back in happy puppy mode, even before any agreement is reached.
Exactly as I said it would be.
It is not what John Helmer reports on Stavka's and a lot of population's views.
I believe that, but Putin is not thr population.
Putin is the ultimate decider (constitutionally), but he is by no means an autocrat and he really has to pay attention to what the population has to say (remember the crow he had to eat when he was pushing for fast increase age of retirement and that didn't go well with the Russians at large? ) and what stavka has to say, what Duma has to say (and they are politicians that want to be re-elected), etc...
Good point, but in this case, it appears that Putin thinks he can get his decision accepted.
We'll see.
I know what this explosive reason for a sudden interest for working with Putin is.
It all has to do with blocking China out. In other words, much like predator, you're separating out the party you believe is weakest. That's all.
It has nothing to do with reapproachment. It has to do with planning for the next war against Russia.
The only irritant in this situation is the U.S. The U.S. has to cease with its designs on Greenland and Canada. The U.S. has the least presence in the Artic but believes it's a Artic superpower.
That's delusional. The U.S. way of dealing with its lack of size is to stuff some tissues in its pants by taking over, Canada and Grefnland and doing so by annexation or force. It's Trump's threat of, we can do this the hard way or the easy way. It's a take down scenario.
That all sounds strangely like what the U.S. and its European/NATO allies/vassals were accusing the Russians of planning for Ukraine but Putin never said or acted upon as something he wanted.
If the U.S. really believes in the right of all nations to pick their allies then why would the U.S. be adverse to all 3 nations cooperating?
There's much technological prowess that China could bring to such an arrangement. The U.S. is just wanting to freeze China out and to seduce Russia into a false sense of security that will ensure it into a U.S. squeeze.
China doesn't have any land that borders the Artic but then neither does the U.S. have any land that borders Europe, Russia or Ukraine but that doesn't motivate the U.S. from poking its nose where it doesn't belong.
Russia and China must stick together. The Russians must not fall victim to the Anti-Kissinger maneuver that the U.S. is playing.
Trump says that his mission is to un-unite them and that is the only rationale for any of this. It is reason enough for Russia to not work with the U.S.
6. Look at the map. China never has, and never will, see the Arctic as within its sphere of influence. Those American warmongers are just looking for new ways to grift.
Actually China is quite active in Antarctica which is a long way further than the Arctic. Maybe they arein the Arctic already?