Wish you could flesh this out a little more but it's still interesting in the context of how power and spies operate. Do you know who the operants were?
We don't have any additional information beyond what that Hungarian official disclosed. All that he confirmed is that some of them were from NATO countries.
"paraphrasing: 'I'm aware of the possibility some of the munitions we're selling to the world could end up in Ukr without our knowledge, but I can't close factories because of that possibility' "
practically means Vučić don't care if Serbian ammo goes to UkroNats, hidden behind his usual populist floscules of protecting the common blue collar workers in a factory which never runs out of customers elsewhere.
This is particularly important as he could just declaratively oppose resale of ammo to SMO field and yet he does not.
I'm paraphrasing: "I'm aware of the possibility some of the munitions we're selling to the world could end up in Ukr without our knowledge, but I can't close factories because of that possibility"
That was the answer to the question, concocted in way so any answer given can be misrepresented, so to further their goal of divide. I'm little surprised to see you as a part of their psiop.
You're joining a longtime western efforts to push a wedge between Rus and Srb, with their usual methods (half-truths, out of context statements, skewing, lying, etc.). You're even giving your own contribution to their efforts with that nonsensical comparison with Hungary!
They (Hungary ) ARE a member of "peaceful alliance", and we're not! (or want to be) But we're surrounded from all sides by the "peaceful alliance"! And not long ago we were bombed by the "peaceful alliance", our factories, bridges, infrastructure, etc. destroyed, soldiers killed, civilians killed, people killed, by the "peaceful alliance"...
On top of all that we got a region of our country carved out, stolen and occupied (temporarily, of course! We survived five centuries of Turks on our lands, we'll survive this occupation also) by the "peaceful alliance". We were also sanctioned by the western financial institutions, for years, completely destroying/starving every other remaining industries (we're not Rus to thrive under sanctions), hyperinflation, average salaries 10-15 d.marks, etc., total societal collapse, brought by "peaceful alliance"
So comparing Srb and Hungary in that way is disingenuous, to say at least.
All of us know who the enemy is! We're surrounded by them! Finally Rus is seeing it too!
This kind of stuff isn't gonna succeed in it's goal of divide., Rus & Srb leadership are not so stupid to not see what's happening, and communicate with each other. That's the answer why Srb PM have Rus support. Or you think Rus are stupid?, or they don't know what you know?, or what?
"paraphrasing: 'I'm aware of the possibility some of the munitions we're selling to the world could end up in Ukr without our knowledge, but I can't close factories because of that possibility' "
practically means Vučić don't care if Serbian ammo goes to UkroNats, hidden behind his usual populist floscules of protecting the common blue collar workers in a factory which never runs out of customers elsewhere.
This is particularly important as he could just declaratively oppose resale of ammo to SMO field and yet he does not.
But it doesn't practically mean that he doesn't care from that. The US state with all their power in literally controlling almost all the world's finance, tens of thousands of employees working to stop certain western made components reach Russia, AND THEY CAN'T STOP IT!
How the fak could Serbia track their exports when they leave Srb?! Under who's authority are they gonna investigate and question foreign companies and governments to explain themselves to Serbia bro?!?
"He could declaratively oppose the sale?"
Why?! It's illegal to sell weapons to hot conflict by Srb law (and international law, until this happened.., so when it's against the western interests, the law doesn't matter)
Vucic will answer here, to his people, for wrongdoings he and his crew caused to his people!
But if it by some miracle Putin would fly in on a white horse, while slaying all the nato around us, Vucic would start crying tears of joy, and would die happy afterwards...
But that's his (ours 😁) dream.., in the meantime, we're still surrounded...
But the whole story is about that! Because ammo LEGALLY can't reach Ukr, but STILL it's found there, so journalists question is are you aware & how's that possible?! Obvious answer is that the paperwork for the deal was made with representatives from one of over dozens world-ruling, wars/organizing&running, western security services, employing hundreds of thousands of people., working 24/7 to help their side, with any means necessary...
So the paperwork is obviously falsified for different buyer from whatever region! And also obviously, Srb can't do shet about it! Agencies can use for every contract different legit company, that will after receiving bought Srb ammo in Jordan (as final destination, for example), send that same ammo to Ukr afterwards.
And EVERYONE knows Srb can't do shet about it! That's why government officials, both on Rus and Srb sides, are acting friendly to each other. They know (as should anybody with little brain) what's up, & are not falling for this b rate crap...
But..... Then you have western hyenas, looking for anything, no matter true or false, to be used to saw discord, investing millions for years, but without success (with "combating evil guys spreading bad media, and investing in good guys view of the world" grant, or law)
I wonder what Russia is gaining by being so tolerant of Serbia. not a complete divorce, but at least a signal of displeasure. but RT and other Russian media are still very supportive of Vucic.
As with everything else, Putin detrimentally lacks the initiative and is only late-reactive which left Serbia being ruled by pro-western dictator being dressed in pro-russia/pro-freedom furr.
To benefit from massive approval of anything Russia amongst Serbian plebs, Putin needs to support little what is left of real "non-western satrap opposition" in Serbia. Interestingly it is a rare win-win situation, for Serbia and its people.
that the USA does not apply to itself all the sanctions against Russia, because the US State administration knows pertinently that these sanctions are not effective against Russia or even harmful for the countries that sanction (Trump admitted it publicly) ;
that precisely these sanctions have already weighed down Germany and therefore the EU ;
then it is not surprising that military neutrality worries them more than the refusal to sanction and it becomes possible to suppose in the background the hand of the USA in this multi-band billiards.
The sanctions are nothing more than an element of propaganda and population control.
I suppose that Orban understood this and that is why he agreed to support them to give pledges to the fanatics at the head of the European Commission and that is why Russia does not take offense.
Wish you could flesh this out a little more but it's still interesting in the context of how power and spies operate. Do you know who the operants were?
We don't have any additional information beyond what that Hungarian official disclosed. All that he confirmed is that some of them were from NATO countries.
Except
"paraphrasing: 'I'm aware of the possibility some of the munitions we're selling to the world could end up in Ukr without our knowledge, but I can't close factories because of that possibility' "
practically means Vučić don't care if Serbian ammo goes to UkroNats, hidden behind his usual populist floscules of protecting the common blue collar workers in a factory which never runs out of customers elsewhere.
This is particularly important as he could just declaratively oppose resale of ammo to SMO field and yet he does not.
Vučić is a cuckoo's egg...
Only he didn't say anything like that!
I'm paraphrasing: "I'm aware of the possibility some of the munitions we're selling to the world could end up in Ukr without our knowledge, but I can't close factories because of that possibility"
That was the answer to the question, concocted in way so any answer given can be misrepresented, so to further their goal of divide. I'm little surprised to see you as a part of their psiop.
You're joining a longtime western efforts to push a wedge between Rus and Srb, with their usual methods (half-truths, out of context statements, skewing, lying, etc.). You're even giving your own contribution to their efforts with that nonsensical comparison with Hungary!
They (Hungary ) ARE a member of "peaceful alliance", and we're not! (or want to be) But we're surrounded from all sides by the "peaceful alliance"! And not long ago we were bombed by the "peaceful alliance", our factories, bridges, infrastructure, etc. destroyed, soldiers killed, civilians killed, people killed, by the "peaceful alliance"...
On top of all that we got a region of our country carved out, stolen and occupied (temporarily, of course! We survived five centuries of Turks on our lands, we'll survive this occupation also) by the "peaceful alliance". We were also sanctioned by the western financial institutions, for years, completely destroying/starving every other remaining industries (we're not Rus to thrive under sanctions), hyperinflation, average salaries 10-15 d.marks, etc., total societal collapse, brought by "peaceful alliance"
So comparing Srb and Hungary in that way is disingenuous, to say at least.
All of us know who the enemy is! We're surrounded by them! Finally Rus is seeing it too!
This kind of stuff isn't gonna succeed in it's goal of divide., Rus & Srb leadership are not so stupid to not see what's happening, and communicate with each other. That's the answer why Srb PM have Rus support. Or you think Rus are stupid?, or they don't know what you know?, or what?
Except
"paraphrasing: 'I'm aware of the possibility some of the munitions we're selling to the world could end up in Ukr without our knowledge, but I can't close factories because of that possibility' "
practically means Vučić don't care if Serbian ammo goes to UkroNats, hidden behind his usual populist floscules of protecting the common blue collar workers in a factory which never runs out of customers elsewhere.
This is particularly important as he could just declaratively oppose resale of ammo to SMO field and yet he does not.
Vučić is a cuckoo's egg...
But it doesn't practically mean that he doesn't care from that. The US state with all their power in literally controlling almost all the world's finance, tens of thousands of employees working to stop certain western made components reach Russia, AND THEY CAN'T STOP IT!
How the fak could Serbia track their exports when they leave Srb?! Under who's authority are they gonna investigate and question foreign companies and governments to explain themselves to Serbia bro?!?
"He could declaratively oppose the sale?"
Why?! It's illegal to sell weapons to hot conflict by Srb law (and international law, until this happened.., so when it's against the western interests, the law doesn't matter)
Vucic will answer here, to his people, for wrongdoings he and his crew caused to his people!
But if it by some miracle Putin would fly in on a white horse, while slaying all the nato around us, Vucic would start crying tears of joy, and would die happy afterwards...
But that's his (ours 😁) dream.., in the meantime, we're still surrounded...
"How the fak could Serbia track their exports when they leave Srb?!"
It's arms/ammo, not a pack of chvartsi. Every time these are exported, final user is known.
But the whole story is about that! Because ammo LEGALLY can't reach Ukr, but STILL it's found there, so journalists question is are you aware & how's that possible?! Obvious answer is that the paperwork for the deal was made with representatives from one of over dozens world-ruling, wars/organizing&running, western security services, employing hundreds of thousands of people., working 24/7 to help their side, with any means necessary...
So the paperwork is obviously falsified for different buyer from whatever region! And also obviously, Srb can't do shet about it! Agencies can use for every contract different legit company, that will after receiving bought Srb ammo in Jordan (as final destination, for example), send that same ammo to Ukr afterwards.
And EVERYONE knows Srb can't do shet about it! That's why government officials, both on Rus and Srb sides, are acting friendly to each other. They know (as should anybody with little brain) what's up, & are not falling for this b rate crap...
But..... Then you have western hyenas, looking for anything, no matter true or false, to be used to saw discord, investing millions for years, but without success (with "combating evil guys spreading bad media, and investing in good guys view of the world" grant, or law)
I wonder what Russia is gaining by being so tolerant of Serbia. not a complete divorce, but at least a signal of displeasure. but RT and other Russian media are still very supportive of Vucic.
Clutching to straws.
As with everything else, Putin detrimentally lacks the initiative and is only late-reactive which left Serbia being ruled by pro-western dictator being dressed in pro-russia/pro-freedom furr.
To benefit from massive approval of anything Russia amongst Serbian plebs, Putin needs to support little what is left of real "non-western satrap opposition" in Serbia. Interestingly it is a rare win-win situation, for Serbia and its people.
Lycus
Knowing:
that the USA does not apply to itself all the sanctions against Russia, because the US State administration knows pertinently that these sanctions are not effective against Russia or even harmful for the countries that sanction (Trump admitted it publicly) ;
that precisely these sanctions have already weighed down Germany and therefore the EU ;
then it is not surprising that military neutrality worries them more than the refusal to sanction and it becomes possible to suppose in the background the hand of the USA in this multi-band billiards.
The sanctions are nothing more than an element of propaganda and population control.
I suppose that Orban understood this and that is why he agreed to support them to give pledges to the fanatics at the head of the European Commission and that is why Russia does not take offense.
You can bet your last dinar that Serbia is quietly supplying Russia's enemies directly.
Re Serbia… someone observed that Serbia is not opoosing to third parties reselling military equipment to Russia either.
Declaratively yes.
How'd you think that ammo would reach Russia?
...and even if it did, do you think west would not order AV to cease and desist, with potential penalties?
Serbia is a satrap country with special allowances which serve to upease the massive popular support for Russia. This explains a lot