As far as I can gather, it wouldn't take much work to get nord stream up and running again and since the explosion did little damage to the Russian economy and the opposite to the German economy, who blew up the thing in the first place makes no odds.
Obviously it was a highly trained group with access to and knowledge of underwater tactical capabilities, this rules out Ukraine or Poland in my book. Realistically, it has all the hallmarks of a British operation for many reasons, one reason being the British penchant for these types of operations.
But like I said, none of this matters and never did, the goal was to get Germany off Russian gas and weaken the Germans into going along with the Ukraine scam, all of which has been achieved.
Tusk should not be consulted or quoted on anything as he's a paid bullshitter like the MSM, everything coming out of the west is to be immediately ignored. The only news is the grinding of Ukraine by Russia day in day out, that's the same repetitive scoop which our masters in the west want to keep off the front pages.
Agreed. Also, let’s not forget that Nordstream 2 has two high capacity lines and only one was successfully blown up. [The other detonator failed and its presence certainly provided identifying evidence of the perpetrators. Who investigated, and who was kept away from the failed explosive device?]
Nonetheless one of the two lines was and is functional and available for activation at any time and yet they don’t. Scholz and his captured government were told to shut up and never dare to turn on the perfectly good one.
>The essential question is, Who would have the prevailing power to enforce Germany’s silence and generally control the German government’s behavior in this context?<
The yarn being spun by mainstream American media outlets and the usual suspects keeps implicating those who DON’T have that power, the direct words of the Biden administration that nordStream 2 will not be allowed to be activated be damned. This really isn’t that difficult.
Except NS2 is operable!! And Nuland declared NS2 “dead” prior to the explosion. So why would the Biden administration blow up something they already considered “dead”…and then only partially blow it up? And so had the hurricane hit Louisiana natural gas prices would have spiked and Germany would have been forced to import natural gas over NS2 at exorbitant prices. Luckily the hurricane veered towards Florida and Germany filled its storage and the winter was mild and the crisis was averted especially after the second mild winter from 2023/24.
Nonsense. The pipeline is flooded with corrosive seawater. Repairing it would require replacement of all the flooded subunits. Unlikely to ever happen, given the current state of affairs between the West and Russia.
There were four NS pipelines, two for NS1 and two for NS2. At the time of the sabotage, only NS1 was operating. NS2 never came into operation, in part because Germany delayed sending a necessary compressor back to Russia.
Both of the NS1 pipelines were broken by explosives, along with one NS2 pipeline. So, technically, it could be said that one NS2 pipeline is "operable". Except that it was never put into operation and, of course, Germany shows no interest in pursuing the project. It may be operable, but only in theory.
Nuland was an Assistant Secretary for Foreign Affairs and never had any authority to have "declared NS2 'dead'". Biden, in a slip of tongue shortly before the war began, let it out that the US would not allow NS2 to go into operation. And sure enough, his prophecy was fulfilled soon after!
The US had every reason to blow up the NS1 and NS2 pipelines, because low-priced Russian natural gas was helping Germany's industrial economy to succeed. And that, combined with the rest of the EU economy, was large enough to be a competitor to the US. Depriving the EU of Russian natural gas was intended as much to damage the EU as to damage Russia. And so it did.
Anyway, to claim now that NS2 is operable is pure sophistry. Though, after the war is over, if anyone is left alive, there might be some interest in reviving the project.
Trump and Ted Cruz wanted to force Germany to import American LNG…but Biden supported NS2. Putin killed his golden goose of piped Gas to Germany and no Germany chooses to import American LNG. Nuland had 100% authority to declare NS2 “dead” to Cruz’ obvious glee as the senator from Texas.
Actually Russia benefited the most from the Nord Stream explosion because a hurricane was over Cuba and Gazprom got a few more weeks of windfall profits thanks to the risk premium with the potential to make exponentially more if the hurricane veered towards Louisiana. The days after the explosion were the days when Russia was closest to winning the war only needing the weather to cooperate…but it didn’t and so this is the first war that Russia wasn’t bailed out by the weather.
Gazprom made record profits in 2022 supplying less natural gas…that’s just how commodity pricing works. It’s not even a difficult concept to understand and Enron did it in the 2001 California Energy Crisis.
Record natural gas prices happened after Katrina supply shock…that natural gas/oil supply shock played a huge part in the Global Financial Crisis….energy is a big fucking deal! 😉
This is unlikely if not nonsensical. Who would undertake a move with long-term consequences like the destruction of expensive infrastructure simply to take a tiny temporary advantage of some bad weather?
As far as I can gather, it wouldn't take much work to get nord stream up and running again and since the explosion did little damage to the Russian economy and the opposite to the German economy, who blew up the thing in the first place makes no odds.
Obviously it was a highly trained group with access to and knowledge of underwater tactical capabilities, this rules out Ukraine or Poland in my book. Realistically, it has all the hallmarks of a British operation for many reasons, one reason being the British penchant for these types of operations.
But like I said, none of this matters and never did, the goal was to get Germany off Russian gas and weaken the Germans into going along with the Ukraine scam, all of which has been achieved.
Tusk should not be consulted or quoted on anything as he's a paid bullshitter like the MSM, everything coming out of the west is to be immediately ignored. The only news is the grinding of Ukraine by Russia day in day out, that's the same repetitive scoop which our masters in the west want to keep off the front pages.
Agreed. Also, let’s not forget that Nordstream 2 has two high capacity lines and only one was successfully blown up. [The other detonator failed and its presence certainly provided identifying evidence of the perpetrators. Who investigated, and who was kept away from the failed explosive device?]
Nonetheless one of the two lines was and is functional and available for activation at any time and yet they don’t. Scholz and his captured government were told to shut up and never dare to turn on the perfectly good one.
>The essential question is, Who would have the prevailing power to enforce Germany’s silence and generally control the German government’s behavior in this context?<
The yarn being spun by mainstream American media outlets and the usual suspects keeps implicating those who DON’T have that power, the direct words of the Biden administration that nordStream 2 will not be allowed to be activated be damned. This really isn’t that difficult.
Except NS2 is operable!! And Nuland declared NS2 “dead” prior to the explosion. So why would the Biden administration blow up something they already considered “dead”…and then only partially blow it up? And so had the hurricane hit Louisiana natural gas prices would have spiked and Germany would have been forced to import natural gas over NS2 at exorbitant prices. Luckily the hurricane veered towards Florida and Germany filled its storage and the winter was mild and the crisis was averted especially after the second mild winter from 2023/24.
Nonsense. The pipeline is flooded with corrosive seawater. Repairing it would require replacement of all the flooded subunits. Unlikely to ever happen, given the current state of affairs between the West and Russia.
Russia said NS2 is operable.
There were four NS pipelines, two for NS1 and two for NS2. At the time of the sabotage, only NS1 was operating. NS2 never came into operation, in part because Germany delayed sending a necessary compressor back to Russia.
Both of the NS1 pipelines were broken by explosives, along with one NS2 pipeline. So, technically, it could be said that one NS2 pipeline is "operable". Except that it was never put into operation and, of course, Germany shows no interest in pursuing the project. It may be operable, but only in theory.
Nuland was an Assistant Secretary for Foreign Affairs and never had any authority to have "declared NS2 'dead'". Biden, in a slip of tongue shortly before the war began, let it out that the US would not allow NS2 to go into operation. And sure enough, his prophecy was fulfilled soon after!
The US had every reason to blow up the NS1 and NS2 pipelines, because low-priced Russian natural gas was helping Germany's industrial economy to succeed. And that, combined with the rest of the EU economy, was large enough to be a competitor to the US. Depriving the EU of Russian natural gas was intended as much to damage the EU as to damage Russia. And so it did.
Anyway, to claim now that NS2 is operable is pure sophistry. Though, after the war is over, if anyone is left alive, there might be some interest in reviving the project.
Trump and Ted Cruz wanted to force Germany to import American LNG…but Biden supported NS2. Putin killed his golden goose of piped Gas to Germany and no Germany chooses to import American LNG. Nuland had 100% authority to declare NS2 “dead” to Cruz’ obvious glee as the senator from Texas.
Agree that highly trained western operatives had to be involved.
Shocking that Tusk said the quiet part out loud.
Actually Russia benefited the most from the Nord Stream explosion because a hurricane was over Cuba and Gazprom got a few more weeks of windfall profits thanks to the risk premium with the potential to make exponentially more if the hurricane veered towards Louisiana. The days after the explosion were the days when Russia was closest to winning the war only needing the weather to cooperate…but it didn’t and so this is the first war that Russia wasn’t bailed out by the weather.
I call BS. Counting on the weather? Such a lame argument means there aren’t any better ones.
PCM is a troll who continually spouts nonsense.
Gazprom made record profits in 2022 supplying less natural gas…that’s just how commodity pricing works. It’s not even a difficult concept to understand and Enron did it in the 2001 California Energy Crisis.
Record natural gas prices happened after Katrina supply shock…that natural gas/oil supply shock played a huge part in the Global Financial Crisis….energy is a big fucking deal! 😉
This is unlikely if not nonsensical. Who would undertake a move with long-term consequences like the destruction of expensive infrastructure simply to take a tiny temporary advantage of some bad weather?
Russia could have won the war…that’s sort of the point of waging a war which American Bush/Cheney supporters tend not to understand. 😜