NATO might be willing to test Putin’s patience by crossing yet another of Russia’s perceived red lines in spite of its updated nuclear doctrine and new Oreshniks.
What I don’t understand is how a “humiliation in front of the world” actually matters. “Face” is supposed to be a uniquely Asian, certainly not a North Atlantic, concept.
It seems that the rise of the “spin-doctor” and the increasing reliance on Public Relations and “soft power” to get one’s way over the past 20-30 years has had the unfortunate side-effect of corrupting those who wield its influence themselves. In popular language, they must be “high on their own supply”.
Hopefully Russia still has the bulk of the mobilized/recruited forces on the side. My layman's envelope calculation is 6 corps at the front line, the equivalent of 3 division for combat forces, add one for direct combat support, add another one for logistic support, and add one for airforce, navy, national guard support for each Corp. That would be between 360k to 540k. There is a chance that 300k remains undeployed. However, all other fronts have been stretched thin. For example, Marine brigades from Kaliningrad, Baltics, Pacific, and Black Sea fleets have all participated in battle. I don't think they have been sent back to reset. Even if the intelligence estimate could have been a Western plant, Russia still has to prepare. Maybe a "pretext" for a new round of call-up? Hopefully not. The way forward, it seems more ground troop no longer carries the decisive role it once carried. It is the industrial might and precision manufacturing need extra protection, and contingency plans for western false-flags. Alex Krainer and others have reported security camera black-out in London.
Also I wonder why SVR has been in the news so often lately? I don't remember SVR in the news limelight so often in the past.
You're right, SVR used to stay out of the public eye prior to the SMO, and it's only over the past 6 months or a year tops if my memory serves that it's begun publishing regular press releases.
Does anyone believe that Putin would fall for Minsk 3? He and everyone in Russia knows that if he freezes the war then they would be fighting a bigger one down the road.
Besides Russia is close to meeting one of its goals so why would he freeze the war? Plus this new weapon gives him a huge advantage.
Poland may end up with piece of Ukraine, but only if Russia gives it to them. Otherwise the Poles better put on their war gear and go out to die. they lack the power to pull off such a stunt and they know it.
Poland doesn't need to control the land and it doesn't want responsibility for the at least several million remaining Ukrainians in that part of the country, who are known to be the most "nationalist" in the country.
All that it wants is a sphere of economic influence from which it can reap lucrative business deals for its companies. Poles already have practically equal rights in Ukraine as the latter's citizens do per prior agreements and can already freely visit historic cultural sites so there's no reason to annex anything.
then Poland should stay home. Even our Polish friend who shared Thanksgiving with us, a fervent Pole and Russophobe, is angry about the attempt to get a world war going. Nobody wants a war with Russia. This shit has to end, because the Ukrainians are turning up all around the world with their drones and their corruption.
When Russia had seriously began its anti-ISIS operations for the first time in Syria, Turkey trecherously got its regular Turkish Army troops stationed in northern Syria, to shoot down a Russian airplane which had been flying on reconnaisance sortie for humanitarian rescue work, and then butchered the pilot in cold blood after capturing him after his ejection. Another Russian warplane was ambushed and shot down by Turkish NATO jets by firing missiles from the Turkish side of the border. Russia had erred on the side of restraint and posed too much trust in Erdogan's words, so much so that it had thrown caution to winds and failed to equip those planes with Vympel anti-aircraft missiles. And the European mainstream press broke this news by pretending as if the Turkish troops who downed those planes were not troops at all, but some previously unheard of "ethnic Turkoman dissidents native to northern Syria".
Moreover, this MSM added its observation accusing Russia of trying to provoke NATO by incursions into Turkish territory and testing NATO's patience and willingness to activate Article 5 of collective defence. Fine, so has Israel been "testing" Syria's Russian security providers by having mounted 1000 plus unprovojed bombing sorties into Syria, and Turkey by its innumerable punitive military expeditions into Syrian kurdistan. There are those in western MSM who urge Russia to chicken out at all tmes, saying Russia will lose support of countries like India if it provokes a major escalation. To put the record straight, except for some non majoritarian albeit influential priestcrafty untouchability-monger Dravidian racists, the general sentiment amonst Aryan Indians has always been aligned with Russia without a shred of doubt, as an article of faith and there are no indications that Aryan India will alter the most fundamental tenets of its self consistent world view just to propitate some fringe Dravidian weirdos. If anything, it is power projection that speaks without need for rabble rousing, and once the world order has drastically changed consequent upon intrepid first strike initiatives from Russian side, all preexisting incentives that motivate Russia's detractors even in places such as India, will evaporate in thin air. Their western sponsors will have become history, and no longer in possession of any resources to be able to bribe them.
The idea that NATO would bring 100k troops into Ukr is crazy. That's not happening. IMO, there are three things Russia needs to watch out for from the nutbar neocons (esp those in Wash DC and the UK):
1/ Assassination of a Russian official or officials;
2/ False flag somewhere in Europe; or
3/ Nuclear first strike.
Apart from those, I dont see any realistic way for the west to escalate without experiencing the same fate as General Custer. They are out of cards. Putin mocked them in his latest speech, which was highly amusing. He's a great man, who's going to go down in history as one of Russia's greatest leaders. Wish we had leaders with a fraction of his ability. Unfortunately, we're stuck on a ship of fools.
I believe President Putin and the vast majority of the Russian People are mentally prepared for that highly likely possibility and then the SMO, Special Military Operation will forcefully, necessarily evolve into a full fledged conventional war, since it would be happening in a non-NATO country, and President Putin will feel free (mentally and legslly) to unleash all the power of its conventional military might to crush ASAP that Gang of countries so willing and hell-bent on destroying Russia, to plunder its fantastic energy and mineral resources.
No more Russian Armed Forces fighting with one hand tied in the back, following Putin’s strict orders to minimize civilian casulaties and damage to basic infrastructure, and also unleashing the full conventional power of the Air Force to bombard NATO’s troop concentrations and ammunition depots…
Combined of course with the now standard all kinds of missiles+drones+heavy artillery combined forces.
I guess a sweet feeling of revenge for so many decades of hatred, lack of respect and aggressive behaviour against the Russian People.
Frankly speaking, it's disappointing that these NATO training centers haven't already been wiped out. SVR's candid disclosure of their existence this far into the conflict raises a lot of uncomfortable questions that challenge prevailing Alt-Media narratives.
Given the short expected lifespan of newly trained Ukrainians, perhaps Russia sees no reason to waste time/resources obliterating the training.
An obvious Russian failing is inadequate PR about NATO personnel that have died in the war. The origin countries soldiers being killed on a regular basis underlines that NATO countries are losing much more than money. Besides losses reflecting badly on the NATO govt. involved, it would get the home audience to oppose serving in their military, opposed to potential conscription and resistant to their inadequate troops invading Ukraine. A steady flow of the NATO troops and officials who have died in Ukraine underlines the hard reality, 180 degrees from Ukraine having a chance to win. Seeing the losses mount over time is likely to make more people against moving significant numbers of NATO troops into harms way, because the citizens would anticipate many more casualties, making it less of a "contrast effect" and less justification for escalation to nukes.
Given that rank and file citizens are not as gung ho to risk WW3 as their NATO-dependent Govt., it is way past the time when Russia should have seized the narrative to a greater extent, to counteract NATO propaganda and news suppression.
Tell us more about the willingness of the (remaining) Ukrainians to be trained in these centers... I bet that the 18 to 25 years old are eager and eaching for it, with many of them haven't even tasted pussy yet...
I don't think these training centers are designed to prepare them for the current conflict, but for post-conflict policing duties at home, deployment to NATO bases inside of Europe to replace US troops who might "Pivot (back) to Asia" pronto per reports about Trump being interested in that part of Zelensky's 'Victory Plan", and possibly for the (seemingly inevitable) Continuation War.
I don't think SVR would make them up out of thin air since their disclosure makes Russia look bad in the sense that the SMO is supposed to be about stopping NATO's expansion to Ukraine yet now it turns out that they set up an unknown number of training centers even in spite of the ongoing hostilities.
Why are NATO troops in Ukraine not a legitimate target for Russia? Given NATO's role in attacking Russia with long range weapons, it has made itself a legitimate target.
Setting the training centers doesn't risk WW3; hitting them would.
Undoing the Dnieper bridges had not to be done: it would have risked WW3. Using a "peace contingent" to occupy as far East as the Dnieper? That may well be done; why? Because it doesn't risk sparking WW3.
All bridges on Dnieper and Bug rivers must be destroyed plus all roads and trains rails. I also said that embassies of finland, sweden, estonia, latvia, lithuania, germany, denmark, norway, uk, holland, france, israhell, us and canada in kijev. Otherwise Russia will be destroyed
NATO actually wants WW3. Fucking insane cunts. Fuck NATO and fuck Ukraine.
I have to agree, based on the evidence I see.
What I don’t understand is how a “humiliation in front of the world” actually matters. “Face” is supposed to be a uniquely Asian, certainly not a North Atlantic, concept.
It seems that the rise of the “spin-doctor” and the increasing reliance on Public Relations and “soft power” to get one’s way over the past 20-30 years has had the unfortunate side-effect of corrupting those who wield its influence themselves. In popular language, they must be “high on their own supply”.
What an excellent explanation. Thanks so much.
Hopefully Russia still has the bulk of the mobilized/recruited forces on the side. My layman's envelope calculation is 6 corps at the front line, the equivalent of 3 division for combat forces, add one for direct combat support, add another one for logistic support, and add one for airforce, navy, national guard support for each Corp. That would be between 360k to 540k. There is a chance that 300k remains undeployed. However, all other fronts have been stretched thin. For example, Marine brigades from Kaliningrad, Baltics, Pacific, and Black Sea fleets have all participated in battle. I don't think they have been sent back to reset. Even if the intelligence estimate could have been a Western plant, Russia still has to prepare. Maybe a "pretext" for a new round of call-up? Hopefully not. The way forward, it seems more ground troop no longer carries the decisive role it once carried. It is the industrial might and precision manufacturing need extra protection, and contingency plans for western false-flags. Alex Krainer and others have reported security camera black-out in London.
Also I wonder why SVR has been in the news so often lately? I don't remember SVR in the news limelight so often in the past.
You're right, SVR used to stay out of the public eye prior to the SMO, and it's only over the past 6 months or a year tops if my memory serves that it's begun publishing regular press releases.
Is a victory of Georgescu in Romania at all possible? It looks like they already started a coup Moldova-style.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/romanian-election-could-be-rerun-official-says-2024-11-29/
Does anyone believe that Putin would fall for Minsk 3? He and everyone in Russia knows that if he freezes the war then they would be fighting a bigger one down the road.
Besides Russia is close to meeting one of its goals so why would he freeze the war? Plus this new weapon gives him a huge advantage.
Poland may end up with piece of Ukraine, but only if Russia gives it to them. Otherwise the Poles better put on their war gear and go out to die. they lack the power to pull off such a stunt and they know it.
Poland doesn't need to control the land and it doesn't want responsibility for the at least several million remaining Ukrainians in that part of the country, who are known to be the most "nationalist" in the country.
All that it wants is a sphere of economic influence from which it can reap lucrative business deals for its companies. Poles already have practically equal rights in Ukraine as the latter's citizens do per prior agreements and can already freely visit historic cultural sites so there's no reason to annex anything.
then Poland should stay home. Even our Polish friend who shared Thanksgiving with us, a fervent Pole and Russophobe, is angry about the attempt to get a world war going. Nobody wants a war with Russia. This shit has to end, because the Ukrainians are turning up all around the world with their drones and their corruption.
Nobody will ask Poles what they want.
I guess you mean even in Poland. Well, welcome to the global club of people with unresponsive governments.
Especially not in Poland.
Napoleon tried moving a peace keeping force toward Russia. What happened?
When Russia had seriously began its anti-ISIS operations for the first time in Syria, Turkey trecherously got its regular Turkish Army troops stationed in northern Syria, to shoot down a Russian airplane which had been flying on reconnaisance sortie for humanitarian rescue work, and then butchered the pilot in cold blood after capturing him after his ejection. Another Russian warplane was ambushed and shot down by Turkish NATO jets by firing missiles from the Turkish side of the border. Russia had erred on the side of restraint and posed too much trust in Erdogan's words, so much so that it had thrown caution to winds and failed to equip those planes with Vympel anti-aircraft missiles. And the European mainstream press broke this news by pretending as if the Turkish troops who downed those planes were not troops at all, but some previously unheard of "ethnic Turkoman dissidents native to northern Syria".
Moreover, this MSM added its observation accusing Russia of trying to provoke NATO by incursions into Turkish territory and testing NATO's patience and willingness to activate Article 5 of collective defence. Fine, so has Israel been "testing" Syria's Russian security providers by having mounted 1000 plus unprovojed bombing sorties into Syria, and Turkey by its innumerable punitive military expeditions into Syrian kurdistan. There are those in western MSM who urge Russia to chicken out at all tmes, saying Russia will lose support of countries like India if it provokes a major escalation. To put the record straight, except for some non majoritarian albeit influential priestcrafty untouchability-monger Dravidian racists, the general sentiment amonst Aryan Indians has always been aligned with Russia without a shred of doubt, as an article of faith and there are no indications that Aryan India will alter the most fundamental tenets of its self consistent world view just to propitate some fringe Dravidian weirdos. If anything, it is power projection that speaks without need for rabble rousing, and once the world order has drastically changed consequent upon intrepid first strike initiatives from Russian side, all preexisting incentives that motivate Russia's detractors even in places such as India, will evaporate in thin air. Their western sponsors will have become history, and no longer in possession of any resources to be able to bribe them.
The idea that NATO would bring 100k troops into Ukr is crazy. That's not happening. IMO, there are three things Russia needs to watch out for from the nutbar neocons (esp those in Wash DC and the UK):
1/ Assassination of a Russian official or officials;
2/ False flag somewhere in Europe; or
3/ Nuclear first strike.
Apart from those, I dont see any realistic way for the west to escalate without experiencing the same fate as General Custer. They are out of cards. Putin mocked them in his latest speech, which was highly amusing. He's a great man, who's going to go down in history as one of Russia's greatest leaders. Wish we had leaders with a fraction of his ability. Unfortunately, we're stuck on a ship of fools.
I believe President Putin and the vast majority of the Russian People are mentally prepared for that highly likely possibility and then the SMO, Special Military Operation will forcefully, necessarily evolve into a full fledged conventional war, since it would be happening in a non-NATO country, and President Putin will feel free (mentally and legslly) to unleash all the power of its conventional military might to crush ASAP that Gang of countries so willing and hell-bent on destroying Russia, to plunder its fantastic energy and mineral resources.
No more Russian Armed Forces fighting with one hand tied in the back, following Putin’s strict orders to minimize civilian casulaties and damage to basic infrastructure, and also unleashing the full conventional power of the Air Force to bombard NATO’s troop concentrations and ammunition depots…
Combined of course with the now standard all kinds of missiles+drones+heavy artillery combined forces.
I guess a sweet feeling of revenge for so many decades of hatred, lack of respect and aggressive behaviour against the Russian People.
Great motivation !!!
The NATO centers will be wiped out with the NATO idiots in it.
Naturally will be WW3 and nuclear armageddon, US will cease to exist and they will be annihilated to use a "Trump term".
Addio US and NATO!.
Life on this planet?
Maybe 2 or 3 million survivors.
Frankly speaking, it's disappointing that these NATO training centers haven't already been wiped out. SVR's candid disclosure of their existence this far into the conflict raises a lot of uncomfortable questions that challenge prevailing Alt-Media narratives.
Given the short expected lifespan of newly trained Ukrainians, perhaps Russia sees no reason to waste time/resources obliterating the training.
An obvious Russian failing is inadequate PR about NATO personnel that have died in the war. The origin countries soldiers being killed on a regular basis underlines that NATO countries are losing much more than money. Besides losses reflecting badly on the NATO govt. involved, it would get the home audience to oppose serving in their military, opposed to potential conscription and resistant to their inadequate troops invading Ukraine. A steady flow of the NATO troops and officials who have died in Ukraine underlines the hard reality, 180 degrees from Ukraine having a chance to win. Seeing the losses mount over time is likely to make more people against moving significant numbers of NATO troops into harms way, because the citizens would anticipate many more casualties, making it less of a "contrast effect" and less justification for escalation to nukes.
Given that rank and file citizens are not as gung ho to risk WW3 as their NATO-dependent Govt., it is way past the time when Russia should have seized the narrative to a greater extent, to counteract NATO propaganda and news suppression.
Tell us more about the willingness of the (remaining) Ukrainians to be trained in these centers... I bet that the 18 to 25 years old are eager and eaching for it, with many of them haven't even tasted pussy yet...
I don't think these training centers are designed to prepare them for the current conflict, but for post-conflict policing duties at home, deployment to NATO bases inside of Europe to replace US troops who might "Pivot (back) to Asia" pronto per reports about Trump being interested in that part of Zelensky's 'Victory Plan", and possibly for the (seemingly inevitable) Continuation War.
The public disclosure is the preamble to knocking them down.
I don't think SVR would make them up out of thin air since their disclosure makes Russia look bad in the sense that the SMO is supposed to be about stopping NATO's expansion to Ukraine yet now it turns out that they set up an unknown number of training centers even in spite of the ongoing hostilities.
Thanks for this piece. We summarized and translated it into Swedish:
https://newsvoice.se/2024/12/nato-intervention-i-ukraina/
Why are NATO troops in Ukraine not a legitimate target for Russia? Given NATO's role in attacking Russia with long range weapons, it has made itself a legitimate target.
Setting the training centers doesn't risk WW3; hitting them would.
Undoing the Dnieper bridges had not to be done: it would have risked WW3. Using a "peace contingent" to occupy as far East as the Dnieper? That may well be done; why? Because it doesn't risk sparking WW3.
:)
The term "WW3" is vacuous.
Where are these troops going to land or enter Ukraine ? It’s not going to happen and if attempted it will fail.
This is the result of Russian indecision and dithering.
All bridges on Dnieper and Bug rivers must be destroyed plus all roads and trains rails. I also said that embassies of finland, sweden, estonia, latvia, lithuania, germany, denmark, norway, uk, holland, france, israhell, us and canada in kijev. Otherwise Russia will be destroyed
That Russia did not destroy those bridges on the first day of the war simply shows that the Russian leadership did not take this war seriously.