I have been wondering what the late Gen. William Odom would've thought of developments in Ukraine.
He worked for the national security council and advised presidents in the same period as Brzezinski. They cowrote the last essay published by Gen. Odom called "A Sensible Path in Iran." That was suggesting the US be agreeable to peace compacts with Iran.
But I know that, despite his Cold Warrior past with Brzezinski in the 1980s, Gen. Odom advised Congress and readers of his essays that the US should not be afraid to "cut and run" out of the Iraq War, saying that that war was not in our interests to pursue and was creating division.
He was a Russia specialist. I sure wonder what he would've said about the Ukraine matter.
Unfortunately he suddenly died in the spring of 2008 right before Obama was elected so we suddenly lost his voice that advised against the machinations of what he termed "chicken hawks" who had never seen war in person themselves.
I think I had read the late general's wife knew a lot about Russian art. She suddenly died a few years after he did, being "hit by a bus" (if I remember correctly). That seemed unusual.
Anyway we've lost his voice. I wonder what he would've said about current matters. He used to lecture for Yale University, which reminds me a little bit of Professor Mearsheimer. But I actually don't know what the no-nonsense, cranky Odom would've said of today's issues. I would have to go back and read all his books like "America's Inadvertent Empire."
And since his views were evolving and not static, I don't know what he would've said.
Too late to make deal with Putin. I asked myself this from the beginning, before invasion, why did he not meet with Putin to discuss possibilities for "cleaning up the mess in Donbas" as Putin had been asking, even if he had to do it secretly. The man is dangerously stupid or on drugs.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. It's a blessing to be on (or at least try to be on) the side of truth. One doesn't have to try to remember all the spin, lies, obfuscation, and fake narratives one has created and told to try to support one's evil deeds poorly disguised as "making the world safe for democracy."
As the hidden, suppressed lies about Ukraine start popping up all over the place, the MSM is going to look like it's playing Whack-a-Mole trying to knock them back down before even the normies and previously zombified start seeing and understanding the truth.
Even the new conflagration that THESE SAME WARMONG€RING P$YCHOPATH$ have set ablaze in Israel/Palestine won't be able to cover up the massive corruption and deceit and money laundering and genocide, etc, committed in the Ukraine. May they all hang, or worse....
Zelinsky has no interest in the people of Ukraine , when it gets too hot and if he doesn't get shot he will end up in Florida talking and protesting at the local radio station
The timeline here is getting a little confusing. You said that Russia's leading role in the transition to mulitipolarity is the reason Russia was having to fight the NATO proxy war in the first place after no one would negotiate the neutrality of Kiev from being added to NATO.
I had thought the onset of BRICS and multipolarity occurred in response to the US sanctions that occurred after the special military operation began.
The beginning of this proxy war seems to me to have started with the US backed coup in 2014 in Ukraine. Did that have something to do with multi polarity? I didn't think so. But maybe somebody can tell me about that.
I certainly didn't think it was very democratic of us to push for regime change in Ukraine in 2014 or to arm the Nazi forces against the Donbas separatists who opposed the resulting coup government. What is the connection of the 2014 Ukraine coup with multi polarity concerns?
I didn't know that if that was the case. I thought it was more to do with western imperialism, regime change next door in 2014, arming Nazis on its border, the risk of hostile NATO bases to arrive in the future on its border putting missiles aimed at moscow there staffed by local Nazis, and thoughtlessness about past US promises not to move NATO eastward towards Russia.
Can somebody clarify about this commentary about NATO's reason for initially pursuing a proxy war in Ukraine being to punish Russia for leading a multipolarity movement that I thought came later? Has multipolarity been in the offing for years before BRICS arrived the past few months (seemingly after the feb/march 2022 sanctions)?
Russia being independent has always been an issue for the US/NATO and it goes back further than 2014. While these specific institutions or agreements weren't in place, they've been a fear forever. Empire must quash the possibly of independent states bringing hope and assistance to other states seeking independence because if it does not it will slowly lose its position & attending power.
The fear and hatred of multipolarity has been in place even during the USSR when all efforts went to breaking it, and continued after it's fall with both trying to ensure control over former Soviet and Soviet block states and maintaining control over their own existing imperialist holdings. Any movement towards independence is punished (see: Niger right now) and aggressive expansion of their imperialist tools is always ongoing. It ramped up into this situation, and the explicit break away via BRICS etc but it's been underlying from the start.
Zelensky sold Ukraine cheap, he is a traitor to his people, just like our US leaders are traitors. Every nation in EU and NATO are too.
Good news about Turkey and Syria today!
"Ukraine Humiliated Western Propagandists "
No; these guys know no shame.
Amen! They are spawn of Madeline Albright and Zbigniew Brzezinski, burnt offerings of children piled high only please and delight them.
I agree with that.
I have been wondering what the late Gen. William Odom would've thought of developments in Ukraine.
He worked for the national security council and advised presidents in the same period as Brzezinski. They cowrote the last essay published by Gen. Odom called "A Sensible Path in Iran." That was suggesting the US be agreeable to peace compacts with Iran.
But I know that, despite his Cold Warrior past with Brzezinski in the 1980s, Gen. Odom advised Congress and readers of his essays that the US should not be afraid to "cut and run" out of the Iraq War, saying that that war was not in our interests to pursue and was creating division.
He was a Russia specialist. I sure wonder what he would've said about the Ukraine matter.
Unfortunately he suddenly died in the spring of 2008 right before Obama was elected so we suddenly lost his voice that advised against the machinations of what he termed "chicken hawks" who had never seen war in person themselves.
I think I had read the late general's wife knew a lot about Russian art. She suddenly died a few years after he did, being "hit by a bus" (if I remember correctly). That seemed unusual.
Anyway we've lost his voice. I wonder what he would've said about current matters. He used to lecture for Yale University, which reminds me a little bit of Professor Mearsheimer. But I actually don't know what the no-nonsense, cranky Odom would've said of today's issues. I would have to go back and read all his books like "America's Inadvertent Empire."
And since his views were evolving and not static, I don't know what he would've said.
You're right ... that would require a conscience.
Zelinski would have made a better deal with Putin.And he can still do it and stop this killing.
Too late to make deal with Putin. I asked myself this from the beginning, before invasion, why did he not meet with Putin to discuss possibilities for "cleaning up the mess in Donbas" as Putin had been asking, even if he had to do it secretly. The man is dangerously stupid or on drugs.
or under threat from the nazis that serve the cia running his puppet regime.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. It's a blessing to be on (or at least try to be on) the side of truth. One doesn't have to try to remember all the spin, lies, obfuscation, and fake narratives one has created and told to try to support one's evil deeds poorly disguised as "making the world safe for democracy."
As the hidden, suppressed lies about Ukraine start popping up all over the place, the MSM is going to look like it's playing Whack-a-Mole trying to knock them back down before even the normies and previously zombified start seeing and understanding the truth.
Even the new conflagration that THESE SAME WARMONG€RING P$YCHOPATH$ have set ablaze in Israel/Palestine won't be able to cover up the massive corruption and deceit and money laundering and genocide, etc, committed in the Ukraine. May they all hang, or worse....
Most western nations political class are degenerate scum! It's so obvious to us working class who still have some ethics!
Zelinsky has no interest in the people of Ukraine , when it gets too hot and if he doesn't get shot he will end up in Florida talking and protesting at the local radio station
the whole world knows by now, that the freedom fighting is a farce
The timeline here is getting a little confusing. You said that Russia's leading role in the transition to mulitipolarity is the reason Russia was having to fight the NATO proxy war in the first place after no one would negotiate the neutrality of Kiev from being added to NATO.
I had thought the onset of BRICS and multipolarity occurred in response to the US sanctions that occurred after the special military operation began.
The beginning of this proxy war seems to me to have started with the US backed coup in 2014 in Ukraine. Did that have something to do with multi polarity? I didn't think so. But maybe somebody can tell me about that.
I certainly didn't think it was very democratic of us to push for regime change in Ukraine in 2014 or to arm the Nazi forces against the Donbas separatists who opposed the resulting coup government. What is the connection of the 2014 Ukraine coup with multi polarity concerns?
I didn't know that if that was the case. I thought it was more to do with western imperialism, regime change next door in 2014, arming Nazis on its border, the risk of hostile NATO bases to arrive in the future on its border putting missiles aimed at moscow there staffed by local Nazis, and thoughtlessness about past US promises not to move NATO eastward towards Russia.
Can somebody clarify about this commentary about NATO's reason for initially pursuing a proxy war in Ukraine being to punish Russia for leading a multipolarity movement that I thought came later? Has multipolarity been in the offing for years before BRICS arrived the past few months (seemingly after the feb/march 2022 sanctions)?
Russia being independent has always been an issue for the US/NATO and it goes back further than 2014. While these specific institutions or agreements weren't in place, they've been a fear forever. Empire must quash the possibly of independent states bringing hope and assistance to other states seeking independence because if it does not it will slowly lose its position & attending power.
The fear and hatred of multipolarity has been in place even during the USSR when all efforts went to breaking it, and continued after it's fall with both trying to ensure control over former Soviet and Soviet block states and maintaining control over their own existing imperialist holdings. Any movement towards independence is punished (see: Niger right now) and aggressive expansion of their imperialist tools is always ongoing. It ramped up into this situation, and the explicit break away via BRICS etc but it's been underlying from the start.