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Salt Lick's avatar

This shuffle board diplomacy gong on means nothing now that Russia demands have hardened and they have clear military dominance. They will dictate terms and America will have to accept.

Zelensky is not even in the equation. If he’s an obstacle he will be killed and if he agrees to peace he will be killed.

Nakayama's avatar

Zelensky is a puppet, what he "thinks" does not really matter. Actually I doubt that he even can order a change of bodyguards. Zelensky is afraid, though, as he knows his gig is up. War or peace, his days as Ukraine leader is numbered. What remains as Ukraine is so nonhomogeneous, I argue it would be hard to even formulate a single statement to describe what "Ukrainians" think. Between Ukrainian Nationalists, the Polish descendants, and the Russians on the land of the so-called Ukraine, I am afraid a civil war like the Yugoslavia dissolution would have to happen. What I do sense, it seems Russians are now more opening up to negotiations. If that is the case, we will have another Ukraine war some time down the road, If the small-hat people do not drag all of us into WW3 first.

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Jul 23, 2024
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Nakayama's avatar

Yes very true. My original intended semantics is more about the area still controlled by the so called Ukrainian government. That government, based on western aid, may sustain a nominal government, but not a government and a war. Yet we know the western aid is dropping. People who currently work for Russia as undergound resistance would want to claim their own provinces as well, just like the eastern 4 provinces had done. However, in the current Ukraine area, none of the ethnic faction dominates. Although I might suggest that More Russians east of Dnieper, more Ukrainian nationalists around Kiev, and more Polish descendants around Lvov. Russia may tolerate the Lvov area goes back to Poland, and even have US missiles stationed. But Kiev area would have to stay neutral to have its own identity (ultranationalists would not agree). While the area east of Dnieper most likely will return to Russia as NovoRusia or some name similar to that.

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Jul 23, 2024
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Nakayama's avatar

I have found quite a few American computer engineers well versed in US politics and international geopolitics. Unfortunately, their common attitude is felling disgust about US current political system. In the engineering, the pursuit for excellence is like a motto, if not a religion. Meritocracy mostly works in the world of engineering. But once you move beyond second line of engineering management, then traditional office politics takes over.

JustPlainBill's avatar

"Here, and in western Europe, middle schoolers rule." -- That one's a keeper; I couldn't have said it better.