Pandora’s Box of speculation was already opened by the US and Ukraine so there’s no need for Russia to restrain itself from injecting its own speculation, albeit that which is much more reasonable, into the global discourse.
Yes. I'm also suggesting that once someone of significance starts speculating instead of waiting till an investigation is over, everyone else does too.
There is a difference between the Ukraine drone attack happening an hour earlier versus at the time of the plane making final approach versus hostile agents on the ground shoot a MANPAD. I think the damage is critical/fatal, but the blast was not very close. A hit by BUK would have fragmented the whole plane in the sky. The fact that pilots were able to crash landing a wounded Embraer-190 to crash landing with a 40%+ survival rate showed not only good piloting skills but also the blast payload was small. Hopefully more investigation results will be published by the authorities. Somebody also needs to talk to ground witnesses.
I think what Russia needs to do is decisively win and end this conflict sooner rather than later. Otherwise it will cost her exponentially more as the time goes by. The Ursa Major was sunk, air space will have to be closed, eventually this will build back pressure inside Russia and the risk of the nato planned outcome will increase.
You say that is if the US were somehow less responsible (than than the Ukraine, e.g. for long-range missile attacks within Russia). When does a spade become a shovel? Then it should be so called.
The fact that CNN offers this kind of piece goes to show me that the U.S. CIA killing mob was involved. As you pointed out some - of the usual hallmarks like unnamed officials as sources, speculative language such as "might" have been cause by Russian...
These are so obvious to me as what I call a propaganda "plant piece."
They have been doing these kinds of pieces for over a year now with regards to faux (ff) cyber attacks blamed on the usual of three boogeymen (Russia, China, Iran). I've documented over 10 instances of these in my addenda for my Cyber Attack Crisis article (see Addenda: https://fournier.substack.com/i/136598439/addenda).
They are very sloppy. Exposing them is easy. So, thank you for your measured work here Andrew. The only critique I would offer is when you say "so there’s no need for Russia to restrain itself from injecting its own speculation." They are actually usually more measured in their official responses to all kinds of incidents. Moreover, using such a tactic would bring them down to the lowly level of the US-NATO PsyWar operatives. I know that such speculation or propaganda is inevitably part of the greater information warfare, but I don't see how it benefits them on the world stage to use this approach, for it only diminishes their chance for support.
ukrabanderaland is a banditic entity run by zionists iSSrahelli ashkeNAZI chazars who have no respect for other lives, see what they have done in Gaza and Palestine. They totally exterminated Semitic Palestinians, so we can say that zionists iSSrahelli ashkeNAZI bandits are real Anti-Semites.
Interesting that you cast the blame on Ukraine for engaging in a war that was started by Putin. One more step and the logical conclusion is that Russians are to blame for this and other tragedies.
Do a bit more research mark you miss much information russia didn't start anything except for the smo Ukraine with the usa started this since the 80s if not before the cia has been involved in ukraine and many more things
Don't forget about nato expansion also plus it should have ended way earlier with the Minsk accords or the Istanbul deal ukraine is to blame with the usa well the whole west
Dont forget the crippling sanctions after WW1, the attacks on ethnic Germans in neighboring countries, and the declared war by world Jewry on Germany in 1933. Also, Russia's preemptive attack , identical to the preemptive attack by Germany on Russia and for the same reasons. But Germany bad, Russia good. Right ?
You are talking about 2 very different contexts and situations cccp or USSR was a whole different story and now you are trying to say Russia should let nato or the west who demonize them constantly get to their borders and also commit crimes on russian speaking people accept a coup d'état on a country that was always meant to stay neutral yk the one country or older state of the USSR the place where Russia literally started where the Soviets started be corrupted and taken over when its the one place where Russia has always been invaded through Kursk bapoleon, Germany and others tried well did and Russia should just say please no? You are funny man really funny and also I can talk about how in the 70's with the Cuban missile crisis happened the usa was straight angry almost ended the world with nuclear missiles but that's fine ofcourse yes? Not double standards is it? Also I can also talk about how there were many many attempts by russia to stop this conflict and they were all neglected by the west there was 2 Minsk accords and also the Istanbul meeting where twice the west the usa lied just to armor ukraine to keep fighting this clear proxy war confirmed by the UK and kill more Ukrainians just for big companies like black rock to make money and the usa to make money with the what now over a trillion dollar they've sent to ukraine with which they buy american weapons which makes money for the rich in the usa and also the higher ups in the government, now then the Istanbul meeting well also like the Minsk accords ukraine could have kept most of their lands that now are lost could have saved many lives but no money usa and europe matters more but no ofcourse russia evil and wants to envade the world 🤣 anyway your point is very ridiculous and you should maybe learn a bit more or think more, btw there's even more I could say to justify this war by russia so cry now
Not quite sure what sort of comment you'd like. In both cases, I think, there was a bit more to it, even if under the sheets or between the lines, than simply protecting their own. In any case, I'd say both were justified, the reasons for their justifications having quite different rationales; in most simplistic terms: the Germans' — in support of eugenics, the Russians' — quite the opposite.
This is where it gets complicated: to what extent and by what means populations' control needs to be managed: 1) (relatively) naturally, as all the various ethnicities of the Russian Federation have come together over the centuries to make россияне; 2) or by force, e.g. by the American 'WOKE' model, or its German National Socialist equivalent? It seems to me the answer is, as is so often the case, six of one and half a dozen of the other, i.e. compromise, which humans find so difficult to reconcile themselves, and their fanciful dreams, to.
Out of curiosity do you have any idea how the tragedy is reported in Azerbaijan? Whom/what are they blaming at this point? Or are they staying calm and objective until there’s an investigation? Many thanks
There's some reporting about how it might have mistakenly been hit by Russian air defenses but they're not maliciously blaming Russia. Their President actually just gave an interview with top Russian media where he extolled the benefits of allying with Russia:
IMPORTANT: Klitschko family lawyer Sukhanov (https://t.me/zimovskyAL/34736) was arrested while accepting a million dollar bribe, which he accepted for resolving issues related to the allocation of an elite land plot in the Kiev city council.
The money is vacuum-packed, $100,000 in each pack. It is clear that it is straight from American aid, unopened.
I wonder where they learned that tactic from? I think the aircraft that display the star of Remphan use this tactic. You know, the small hat club on the eastern Mediterranean.
why do you use the term "pandora's box"? are you suggesting all myriod demons from hell are let loose by these cynical "speculations" so called?
Yes. I'm also suggesting that once someone of significance starts speculating instead of waiting till an investigation is over, everyone else does too.
More like the MSM now knows what The Party Line is on the matter, and there is nothing to be gained from deviating from that line.
Thanks for your analysis. I would also like to hear your opinion about the sinking of the Ursa Major freighter.
There is a difference between the Ukraine drone attack happening an hour earlier versus at the time of the plane making final approach versus hostile agents on the ground shoot a MANPAD. I think the damage is critical/fatal, but the blast was not very close. A hit by BUK would have fragmented the whole plane in the sky. The fact that pilots were able to crash landing a wounded Embraer-190 to crash landing with a 40%+ survival rate showed not only good piloting skills but also the blast payload was small. Hopefully more investigation results will be published by the authorities. Somebody also needs to talk to ground witnesses.
I think what Russia needs to do is decisively win and end this conflict sooner rather than later. Otherwise it will cost her exponentially more as the time goes by. The Ursa Major was sunk, air space will have to be closed, eventually this will build back pressure inside Russia and the risk of the nato planned outcome will increase.
It doesn't matter what Ukraine did. Russia will be blamed.
"...Ukraine’s reckless drone attacks..."
You say that is if the US were somehow less responsible (than than the Ukraine, e.g. for long-range missile attacks within Russia). When does a spade become a shovel? Then it should be so called.
The fact that CNN offers this kind of piece goes to show me that the U.S. CIA killing mob was involved. As you pointed out some - of the usual hallmarks like unnamed officials as sources, speculative language such as "might" have been cause by Russian...
These are so obvious to me as what I call a propaganda "plant piece."
They have been doing these kinds of pieces for over a year now with regards to faux (ff) cyber attacks blamed on the usual of three boogeymen (Russia, China, Iran). I've documented over 10 instances of these in my addenda for my Cyber Attack Crisis article (see Addenda: https://fournier.substack.com/i/136598439/addenda).
They are very sloppy. Exposing them is easy. So, thank you for your measured work here Andrew. The only critique I would offer is when you say "so there’s no need for Russia to restrain itself from injecting its own speculation." They are actually usually more measured in their official responses to all kinds of incidents. Moreover, using such a tactic would bring them down to the lowly level of the US-NATO PsyWar operatives. I know that such speculation or propaganda is inevitably part of the greater information warfare, but I don't see how it benefits them on the world stage to use this approach, for it only diminishes their chance for support.
ukrabanderaland is a banditic entity run by zionists iSSrahelli ashkeNAZI chazars who have no respect for other lives, see what they have done in Gaza and Palestine. They totally exterminated Semitic Palestinians, so we can say that zionists iSSrahelli ashkeNAZI bandits are real Anti-Semites.
Interesting that you cast the blame on Ukraine for engaging in a war that was started by Putin. One more step and the logical conclusion is that Russians are to blame for this and other tragedies.
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Do a bit more research mark you miss much information russia didn't start anything except for the smo Ukraine with the usa started this since the 80s if not before the cia has been involved in ukraine and many more things
Just don't feign ignorance about WHY Russia's President started it.
Russia started it to " protect ethnic Russians". Strangely, Germany in 1939 started WW2 to protect, wait for it, " ethnic Germans". Care to comment ?
Don't forget about nato expansion also plus it should have ended way earlier with the Minsk accords or the Istanbul deal ukraine is to blame with the usa well the whole west
Dont forget the crippling sanctions after WW1, the attacks on ethnic Germans in neighboring countries, and the declared war by world Jewry on Germany in 1933. Also, Russia's preemptive attack , identical to the preemptive attack by Germany on Russia and for the same reasons. But Germany bad, Russia good. Right ?
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-lm&sca_esv=c4b2fb5cd062a005&q=judea+declares+war+on+germany&udm=2&fbs=ABzOT_CWdhQLP1FcmU5B0fn3xuWpA-dk4wpBWOGsoR7DG5zJBjLjqIC1CYKD9D-DQAQS3Z598VAVBnbpHrmLO7c8q4i2ZQ3WKhKg1rxAlIRezVxw9ZI3fNkoov5wiKn-GvUteZdk9svexd1aCPnH__Uc8IUgdpyeAhJShdjgtFBxiTTC_0C5wxBAriPcxIadyznLaqGpGzbn_4WepT8N6bRG3HQLK-jPDg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZsfP8m5KLAxVRRjABHcX6LWIQtKgLegQIERAB&biw=1918&bih=882&dpr=1#vhid=kgJF-wKlIHv0JM&vssid=mosaic
You are talking about 2 very different contexts and situations cccp or USSR was a whole different story and now you are trying to say Russia should let nato or the west who demonize them constantly get to their borders and also commit crimes on russian speaking people accept a coup d'état on a country that was always meant to stay neutral yk the one country or older state of the USSR the place where Russia literally started where the Soviets started be corrupted and taken over when its the one place where Russia has always been invaded through Kursk bapoleon, Germany and others tried well did and Russia should just say please no? You are funny man really funny and also I can talk about how in the 70's with the Cuban missile crisis happened the usa was straight angry almost ended the world with nuclear missiles but that's fine ofcourse yes? Not double standards is it? Also I can also talk about how there were many many attempts by russia to stop this conflict and they were all neglected by the west there was 2 Minsk accords and also the Istanbul meeting where twice the west the usa lied just to armor ukraine to keep fighting this clear proxy war confirmed by the UK and kill more Ukrainians just for big companies like black rock to make money and the usa to make money with the what now over a trillion dollar they've sent to ukraine with which they buy american weapons which makes money for the rich in the usa and also the higher ups in the government, now then the Istanbul meeting well also like the Minsk accords ukraine could have kept most of their lands that now are lost could have saved many lives but no money usa and europe matters more but no ofcourse russia evil and wants to envade the world 🤣 anyway your point is very ridiculous and you should maybe learn a bit more or think more, btw there's even more I could say to justify this war by russia so cry now
I would take you more seriously if you knew the function of paragraphs and periods. You might want to cry about your lack of education, Weep in fact.
Not quite sure what sort of comment you'd like. In both cases, I think, there was a bit more to it, even if under the sheets or between the lines, than simply protecting their own. In any case, I'd say both were justified, the reasons for their justifications having quite different rationales; in most simplistic terms: the Germans' — in support of eugenics, the Russians' — quite the opposite.
This is where it gets complicated: to what extent and by what means populations' control needs to be managed: 1) (relatively) naturally, as all the various ethnicities of the Russian Federation have come together over the centuries to make россияне; 2) or by force, e.g. by the American 'WOKE' model, or its German National Socialist equivalent? It seems to me the answer is, as is so often the case, six of one and half a dozen of the other, i.e. compromise, which humans find so difficult to reconcile themselves, and their fanciful dreams, to.
" even if under the sheets or between the lines, "
Of course there were . Thats why this 5d, chess vs. checkers and constant Putin worship in the West is foolish.
" the Germans' — in support of eugenics, the Russians' — quite the opposite. "
Seriously ? Germany invaded because of eugenics ? They both invaded for the same reason, using the same reasoning, and the same sneak attack.
They both even engaged in a failed attempt to defend an allied state. Germany tried protecting Italy in Egypt, and Russia tried defending Syria.
Also, Germany ended up facing the full industrial and population might of the " world" while Russia is now facing the same.
The parallels so far are very odd.
Yes, I suspected that's where you wanted to go. Yours are the simple answers. Not everything is as it seems.
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Out of curiosity do you have any idea how the tragedy is reported in Azerbaijan? Whom/what are they blaming at this point? Or are they staying calm and objective until there’s an investigation? Many thanks
There's some reporting about how it might have mistakenly been hit by Russian air defenses but they're not maliciously blaming Russia. Their President actually just gave an interview with top Russian media where he extolled the benefits of allying with Russia:
https://korybko.substack.com/p/the-azerbaijani-president-reaffirmed
Interesting thank you!
ukraine is nowhere near that path
IMPORTANT: Klitschko family lawyer Sukhanov (https://t.me/zimovskyAL/34736) was arrested while accepting a million dollar bribe, which he accepted for resolving issues related to the allocation of an elite land plot in the Kiev city council.
The money is vacuum-packed, $100,000 in each pack. It is clear that it is straight from American aid, unopened.
War Reports - 2024-12-28 - Main Report, by
@_askeptik
https://open.substack.com/pub/askeptic/p/war-reports-2024-12-28?r=byea&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
The latest news reports, including an apology from President Putin, show some inconsistencies with this article's narrative.
The never ending push against BRICS+ will eventually fail. Unfortunately, they intend kill us all as they fail.
I wonder where they learned that tactic from? I think the aircraft that display the star of Remphan use this tactic. You know, the small hat club on the eastern Mediterranean.
Better yet, maybe RU should declare that the Kiev airport and train station are both fair targets now.