If he had a decent head on his shoulders and was being advised by truly patriotic forces, neither of which is the case, then he’d have used this opportunity to appeal to India as a mediator instead of arrogantly making unrealistic demands of it that risk offending that country’s leadership.
Zelensky's independence outside of what CIA and MI6 allowable range is very limited. He is certainly no thinker. My rule of thumb is to consider whatever he says as either CIA or MI6 position. Zelensky does not represent the thinking/opinions of the Ukrainian people.
On what basis? How do we know he's controlled by anyone? I don't believe there are any credible facts about this in open sources. Certainly, his election was a surprise to our foreign policy blob and he was never supported by us -- as a Russian-speaker from the East running on a platform of peace and reconciliation, he was not our idea of a convenient Ukrainian leader.
But assuming he's NOT controlled by the U.S. and/or U.K., what is his game? What in the hell is he thinking? Why would he lead Ukraine over the abyss like this instead of seeking compromise? His negotiating position gets worse by the day; I'm not sure that there are so many months left before the only possible result will be full capitulation. Maybe he's controlled by forces in Ukraine we don't understand? Or maybe he's just delusional, or even crazy? It doesn't make any sense to me, I confess.
An interesting point. I certainly don't know who handles Zelensky case files at CIA. However, we can look at who benefits from Zelensky's policy choices. He campaigned on the basis of peaceful solutions to the eastern Ukraine problems. But reneged after he won the election. IT looks like CIA/MI6 switched the horse they bet on at the last moment. What Zelensky had actually pushed were neocon's policies to provoke a Russian invasion through the abuse of the people in eastern Ukraine. Putin's original response was hurried and Russian military was clearly not ready for a real military contest. Neocon's first bet was correct. But as Russians get geared up and mobilized, the calculations of the west went bust. The fact he had so many neo-Nazi's in his government and military at various levels not because that is a good move for the Ukraine people, but because such a deployment gears up Ukraine to carry out the provocation brutally. Actually, the more brutal the more likely Russia would invade Ukraine. CIA/MI6 thought as soon as Russian military kicked on an iron plate the whole house would collapse. But that did not happen. For Zelensky continued survival, he has no other choice but to play along. Personally I think Ukraine will soon mobilize down to 18 years old. You think Zelensky really hates his own countrymen so much? not really. But he knows if he does not do certain things he would not see the sunrise of tomorrow morning.
That is VERY VERY true. However, real life matters are different from chemistry experiments in a lab. Scientists saw all kinds of mysteries in 18th and 19th centuries, even the 20th century. However, after repeated efforts and different analyses, modern chemistry became well established because we know everything about each and every experiment now. International intrigues are rarely disclosed in any significant amount. Once Zelensky is assassinated, many secrets will be buried forever, and we will never know for sure. Declassified secret files tend to have many pages deleted, redacted, or not archived to begin with. If you were the leader of an eastern European country, would you proceed to presume USA is innocent and truly wants to help your country, or would you speculate something went wrong in Ukraine so you don't repeat the same mistake? But of course there is no solid evidence of any kind to accuse USA meddling with Ukraine internal affairs. Therefore USA must be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Is that so? In real life, we move forward by the most likelihood, then modify when and if the full truth emerges. Yet the full truth may not emerge quickly, completely, or even seeing the sunlight at all. Then how you move forward?
Well, I don't presume anything at all. It's all a big mystery to me. U.S. involvement in Ukraine goes back to Project Aerodynamic which started in the 1940's, and continues to this day through the NED programs after 1991. We have the tantalizing Nuland-Pyatt phone call. Of course U.S. hands are all over this thing in some way or another. But there is a ton of work for future historians to find out exactly what and how. If Trump is elected next week, will he blow the lid on some of this recent history? I sure hope so.
Considering that the US has so many levers over Zelenskii, you would have to be foolish to think that the US has not used them.
For that matter, we have the example of the Istanbul Agreement, which Zelenskii was ready to agree to, then the US sent Johnson to tell Zelenskii that there was to be no deal.
"What in the hell is he thinking? Why would he lead Ukraine over the abyss like this instead of seeking compromise? "
This appears to assume that Zelenskii has the interests of anyone other than Zelenskii in mind.
Why should Zelenskii want mediation or peace? War has brought him nothing but benefits, sweet western cash and fawning western press coverage.
Take away the war, and Ukraine would go from The Beacon Of Democracy, a country so democratic that it need not bother with elections, freedom of speech or religion or the press, to a nasty, corrupt nazi-infested shithole.
If Indian diplomats no longer listen to the ex-colonizers then a peaceful and prosperous future for India might be near. Brits are the most practiced and accomplished in political manipulation for the benefit of the western elites.
If he really said that between aggressor and victim there cannot be neutrality, then he is not stating a logical impossibility (any pause to reflect or negotiate is neutral), but is attempting to colonise logic for his propaganda, which resonates perfectly with the agenda of his masters, who also want to colonise literally everything , who have turned him from the politician elected by a majority to make peace, to slaughtering en masse those who elected him, on behalf of the moral monster of neocon America. God help him when people break free of his debasement of logic long enough to realise what he has been made to do to them.
Zelensky's independence outside of what CIA and MI6 allowable range is very limited. He is certainly no thinker. My rule of thumb is to consider whatever he says as either CIA or MI6 position. Zelensky does not represent the thinking/opinions of the Ukrainian people.
On what basis? How do we know he's controlled by anyone? I don't believe there are any credible facts about this in open sources. Certainly, his election was a surprise to our foreign policy blob and he was never supported by us -- as a Russian-speaker from the East running on a platform of peace and reconciliation, he was not our idea of a convenient Ukrainian leader.
But assuming he's NOT controlled by the U.S. and/or U.K., what is his game? What in the hell is he thinking? Why would he lead Ukraine over the abyss like this instead of seeking compromise? His negotiating position gets worse by the day; I'm not sure that there are so many months left before the only possible result will be full capitulation. Maybe he's controlled by forces in Ukraine we don't understand? Or maybe he's just delusional, or even crazy? It doesn't make any sense to me, I confess.
An interesting point. I certainly don't know who handles Zelensky case files at CIA. However, we can look at who benefits from Zelensky's policy choices. He campaigned on the basis of peaceful solutions to the eastern Ukraine problems. But reneged after he won the election. IT looks like CIA/MI6 switched the horse they bet on at the last moment. What Zelensky had actually pushed were neocon's policies to provoke a Russian invasion through the abuse of the people in eastern Ukraine. Putin's original response was hurried and Russian military was clearly not ready for a real military contest. Neocon's first bet was correct. But as Russians get geared up and mobilized, the calculations of the west went bust. The fact he had so many neo-Nazi's in his government and military at various levels not because that is a good move for the Ukraine people, but because such a deployment gears up Ukraine to carry out the provocation brutally. Actually, the more brutal the more likely Russia would invade Ukraine. CIA/MI6 thought as soon as Russian military kicked on an iron plate the whole house would collapse. But that did not happen. For Zelensky continued survival, he has no other choice but to play along. Personally I think Ukraine will soon mobilize down to 18 years old. You think Zelensky really hates his own countrymen so much? not really. But he knows if he does not do certain things he would not see the sunrise of tomorrow morning.
That's a whole lot of speculation.
I'm not saying it's untrue -- maybe it is true. But I haven't seen any evidence. Cui bono is not evidence.
That is VERY VERY true. However, real life matters are different from chemistry experiments in a lab. Scientists saw all kinds of mysteries in 18th and 19th centuries, even the 20th century. However, after repeated efforts and different analyses, modern chemistry became well established because we know everything about each and every experiment now. International intrigues are rarely disclosed in any significant amount. Once Zelensky is assassinated, many secrets will be buried forever, and we will never know for sure. Declassified secret files tend to have many pages deleted, redacted, or not archived to begin with. If you were the leader of an eastern European country, would you proceed to presume USA is innocent and truly wants to help your country, or would you speculate something went wrong in Ukraine so you don't repeat the same mistake? But of course there is no solid evidence of any kind to accuse USA meddling with Ukraine internal affairs. Therefore USA must be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Is that so? In real life, we move forward by the most likelihood, then modify when and if the full truth emerges. Yet the full truth may not emerge quickly, completely, or even seeing the sunlight at all. Then how you move forward?
https://nakayama1.substack.com/p/incomplete-knowledge-and-fog-of-war
Well, I don't presume anything at all. It's all a big mystery to me. U.S. involvement in Ukraine goes back to Project Aerodynamic which started in the 1940's, and continues to this day through the NED programs after 1991. We have the tantalizing Nuland-Pyatt phone call. Of course U.S. hands are all over this thing in some way or another. But there is a ton of work for future historians to find out exactly what and how. If Trump is elected next week, will he blow the lid on some of this recent history? I sure hope so.
Considering that the US has so many levers over Zelenskii, you would have to be foolish to think that the US has not used them.
For that matter, we have the example of the Istanbul Agreement, which Zelenskii was ready to agree to, then the US sent Johnson to tell Zelenskii that there was to be no deal.
"What in the hell is he thinking? Why would he lead Ukraine over the abyss like this instead of seeking compromise? "
This appears to assume that Zelenskii has the interests of anyone other than Zelenskii in mind.
You need to read the Atlantic Council's reports...
https://voza0db.substack.com/p/morons-just-dont-get-it-91a
That could be very interesting, but there is no link to the report, just an image of the cover.
If you're interested in reading them... just go to the terrorists website and read them.
Why should Zelenskii want mediation or peace? War has brought him nothing but benefits, sweet western cash and fawning western press coverage.
Take away the war, and Ukraine would go from The Beacon Of Democracy, a country so democratic that it need not bother with elections, freedom of speech or religion or the press, to a nasty, corrupt nazi-infested shithole.
The Clown never fails to deliver the expect level of low performance!
https://voza0db.substack.com/p/morons-just-dont-get-it-91a
I don’t believe Zelenskyy understands India and especially Dr Jaishankar (our Foreign Minister).
I believe Z has been coached by British agents, who expected the fawning subservience which previous Indian administrations would demonstrate.
Some evidence for this is in a comment the dynast Rahul Gandhi made in the UK, on stage during one of his odd foreign trips.
He said he had complaints from European (probably British, due to historical ties) that Indian diplomats no longer listened to the former.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rahul-gandhi-s-comment-on-diplomats-fans-furore-jaishankar-hits-back-101653156239583.html
If Indian diplomats no longer listen to the ex-colonizers then a peaceful and prosperous future for India might be near. Brits are the most practiced and accomplished in political manipulation for the benefit of the western elites.
Zelensky is not only a fool. He's a bore. For some of us, that's the gravest sin of all.
If he really said that between aggressor and victim there cannot be neutrality, then he is not stating a logical impossibility (any pause to reflect or negotiate is neutral), but is attempting to colonise logic for his propaganda, which resonates perfectly with the agenda of his masters, who also want to colonise literally everything , who have turned him from the politician elected by a majority to make peace, to slaughtering en masse those who elected him, on behalf of the moral monster of neocon America. God help him when people break free of his debasement of logic long enough to realise what he has been made to do to them.